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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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and now

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our guest of the day evening or whenever

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you listen to the show

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and on whatever planet micah hanks is

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here

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and he has this avatar of him smiling

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well that's really a smile it's like a

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half smile i think you're trying to

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channel the mona lisa or something

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perhaps you know i'm really glad that

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you noticed the smile gene being a

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friend i figured you would because most

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people always comment on my eyebrows

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they say your eyebrows you should you

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should keep a safe three foot distance

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from people at all times because those

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eyebrows could knock somebody's you know

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block off

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i don't think they're that overpowering

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but you know that's what i always hear

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from people so i have to be very mindful

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of my physiology i guess

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we have slicked back hair and about the

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eyebrows you can't just move one of them

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up like mr spock could well i do i guess

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that's my problem they must think i'm a

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vulcan gene that's what it is well we

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have to adjust the ears you do have kind

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of that

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vulcan look if we just do something to

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the ears i think we'll have it yeah

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that's that's what i've been aiming for

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all along

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we had a friend of yours on the show a

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couple of weeks ago joshua warren oh

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yeah you know josh uh is a fella who i

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happen to be not only uh friends with of

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many years uh because he is an asheville

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native and so it was i guess kind of by

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more than just chance perhaps by some

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divine fortitude or something that we

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would come to know each other being from

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slightly different disciplines he is

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someone who is you know very much into

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the kind of the paranormal world whereas

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i've become more hard-line science uh

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with you know keeping one foot in

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ufology over the years but as time goes

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on i really consider myself more a

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disciple of william r corliss but i'll

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tell you people may not know this about

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warren he was the first guy that

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introduced me to william r corliss we'd

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go to his house and he and i would catch

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up on monday nights and you usually be

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sitting there drinking bourbon when i

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was in my early 20s what i loved about

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josh was he had all these great books

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and he had william r corliss for anyone

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out there in the listening audience who

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doesn't know who that was

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he was an american physicist who was as

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i hoped to be or aspired to be a

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disciple of his he was a disciple of

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charles ford whereas fort liked to kind

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of smack the scientific establishment uh

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corliss borrowed heavily from scientific

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literature as ford had done but he

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relied more on i think scientific

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consensus while highlighting anomalies

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in nature you know he'd do the source

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books gene did you ever read any of

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those probably long long time ago why

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don't you summarize it quickly and let's

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move on yeah sure i mean very quickly

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there are these general source books

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which you can buy online and i'd highly

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recommend them but then there were the

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individual source books that would talk

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about for instance geophysical anomalies

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astronomical anomalies archaeological

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anomalies and he was again just a person

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who had a broad interest in all areas of

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the sciences and the mysteries that lie

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therein so josh warren was the first guy

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that introduced me to those books and

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i'm still a fan of those to this day and

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occasionally when he's around i still

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see josh uh here in the asheville area

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but he's usually traveling and so am i

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well william corliss died in 2011 for

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those who want to look them up but he

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was around quite a few years he was born

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in 1926 so he lived a good long life now

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the reason i bring up mr warren here is

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that he had his friend

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outfit me with one of his wishing

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machines a radionics device or a

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hieronymous box

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so now we're going to see what that does

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whether it sends weird creatures of the

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night into my bedroom other than the

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little white dog that

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occasionally sticks his nose into other

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people's business

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well i guess we'll just have to see how

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the chips fall on that one huh yeah

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let's just see what happens i'm not

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prejudging this i'm just saying it's

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here

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it was set up in accordance with the

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instructions

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and we'll let it run

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after a few months we'll see what we

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report if it makes things

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about something else because you brought

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something to my mind here

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that i had forgotten

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begins in the early days

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of ufo studies i know a lot of times

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with cases we're trying to move away

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from that like we've moved away from

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roswell we don't cover a lot of these

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things and we never really got into

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aztec that much although we've had some

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shows on it but something you reminded

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me here about is mystery satellites

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which major donald kehoe mentioned in

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his various books and that sort of

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we stopped hearing about it now this

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happened

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correct me if i'm wrong micah

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this happened

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was launched is that correct

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yeah that's correct uh we're seeing for

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instance in the literature

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essentially the observation of objects

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orbiting earth often by very qualified

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astronomers that dated back to the early

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1950s and it's it's interesting because

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you may remember a few years ago i wrote

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this book called the ghost rockets which

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begins with the scandinavian phenomenon

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but then i move forward and i find all

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these very some you know similar reports

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that over the years over the decades

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even up to the present day there's a

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certain continuity to them well with

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this mystery satellite thing and i

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way just because i knew that you would

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appreciate this often excluded uh

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discussion as it relates to donald kehoe

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and in fact actually a phenomena perhaps

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celestial phenomena or several of them

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middle 1800s you'll begin to find if you

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investigating these kind of things that

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there is often a certain kind of

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continuity and people will see a

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phenomenon like this and the way that it

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was being widely reported in the

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newspapers beginning you know around

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1954 and 55 but the earlier reports go

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definitely a continuity the phenomena as

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represent again whatever they were

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objects that were in earth orbit but we

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that time at least not for a few more

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years to be able to put something up

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there into an orbit let alone a

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retrograde orbit which is what many of

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these objects appear to be doing in the

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years that would follow now some of

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kehoe's speculation included motherships

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you think that if flying saucers came

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they travel in big maybe city-sized

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and then as they approach the planet

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they would orbit the planet and send

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their scout ships to earth or whatever

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planet they were visiting

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that far out an idea and a lot of people

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have entertained it to this day people i

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mean have looked at that idea and we

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could put it like this gene

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studies which of course look at over the

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period of of 12 months you know one year

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in space some of the most fascinating

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twins where we see the biological

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differences between identical twins in

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which you know gut bacteria brain

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function eyesight of course we know with

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with regard to musculature that there's

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a certain you know propensity for

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atrophy in a zero gravity environment

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like this but uh we're seeing that again

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the effects on biological organisms is

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pretty great and so you know for a

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same way i mean would it be more likely

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perhaps that whatever the ufo phenomena

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were let's suspend this belief depending

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on our perspectives on what ufos are or

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may be or may not be let's go with this

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conventional idea that kehoe was

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extraterrestrial in origin

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his theory had been that yeah maybe

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scout ships would be more likely as far

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as what we saw in our atmosphere and

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even leading scientists of that era had

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said well you know we're not so sure

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that a living organism could pass

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through the van island radiation belts

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we now know that of course that can be

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done but at that time they weren't

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certain that was an even uh even a

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plausible scenario and so the idea of a

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scout ship perhaps remotely controlled a

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drone in other words being sent into

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earth's atmosphere from an object parked

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outside our atmosphere or orbiting the

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earth that was really kind of a leading

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theory among those who were willing to

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take seriously the idea of ufo phenomena

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back in the early days

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although now we know of course that if

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we can get around that in likelihood

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other biological entities may as well we

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still have to deal with the idea of such

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entities with whatever technology at

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their disposal traversing great

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distances through space and time in

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order to come here and interact with us

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so this is one of the things that has

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led jock valet and a number of others

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you know warm gene to that idea of the

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however you want to look at it it seems

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like there is a a strong likelihood that

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other intelligence elsewhere in the

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universe would be doing things

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at some stage in their in development

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which in truth is kind of similar to

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what we've done we send robots to mars

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to examine the martian soil we send a

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voyager and we send all kinds of probes

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out into deep space to take photographs

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on with mystery satellites and that is

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we look at all this ufo stuff

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using robots and maybe they send robots

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here and maybe we travel a long distance

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we probably use a very large spaceship

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and then it would send scout ships to an

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individual planet but we're looking at

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that

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in terms of our science fiction concepts

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of space travel we're looking at this as

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someone in the early 21st century how

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are things going to be a couple of

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hundred years from now or 500 years from

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now but we're assuming

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that technology would move in a way that

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we even understand but what we're

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dealing with space people who are

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thousands and thousands of years ahead

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of us

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would we even recognize their technology

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that's a really great point that you

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raise you know i was talking with our

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mutual friend stanton friedman back

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about a year ago in fact this very month

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a year ago

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and as he and i were uh riding together

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out through the mountains of california

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having not only enjoying the scenery but

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having this great talk

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about uh some of the ufological icons of

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yesteryear whom many never even talk

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about today like alan hendry one of my

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favorites he was discussing some of

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these things and we stopped uh in

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riverside and had lunch

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it's a funny thing because you could

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look at this phenomenon like ufos and

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say oh you know visitors from space

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which stanton has maintained for a long

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time and then you've got people like me

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who might come along and be a little

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more skeptical and say well i don't know

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about the visitor from space angle could

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be could be any number of things but how

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likely is it that extraterrestrial

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biological entities would come to earth

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we see our drones we see our probes we

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see our landing grovers and things that

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we put up on other planets and like you

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say as far thinking as we think that we

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are as as far out there as we think

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we're getting in terms of well then

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aliens would probably do the same thing

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right

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well then look at a technology

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hundreds if not like you say thousands

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of years more advanced than ours let's

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at least you know conceive of a

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technology that could survive without

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the mutually assured self-destruction

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and things that sagan warned about and

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many others over the years let's say

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that they evolved differently and that

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they were less likely to engage in

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warfare as we humans have done uh yeah

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we could absolutely still be dealing

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with an actual physical presence or

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something that may transcend physicality

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altogether but nonetheless is a presence

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that is here

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which exceeds all of our expectations

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based on that

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anthropomorphization i guess of what

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we're doing you know we we can't help

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but think

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essentially like humans because that's

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kind of what we are right we're humans i

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think most of us at least well the other

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assumption here is that they would be

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humanoid at least that might be possible

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i'm not going to dismiss that

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possibility but what would the human

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race be like

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500 000 years from now a million years

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from now how can we even predict what

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form they take

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obviously in star trek we have

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individuals becoming pure

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energy so what this may mean is that

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what we see as ufos or space people

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might be

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number one

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play acting they're trying to

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appear in a way we understand or

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our subconscious has to manage all this

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information it can't comprehend

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so it alters

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what you see

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so we go back to the 1950s of course

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there are cases before that and we want

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to get into that but we go back to the

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1950s

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and we think okay satellites

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that's

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near-term technology

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but let's go on why did kehoe

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get

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involved in this what kind of cases did

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he climb onto

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well you know kehoe is one of these

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interesting guys i i own a lot of his

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books and really i mean as

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as much as he was one of the preeminent

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ufo investigators of his age as you know

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a lot of modern uh authorities on the

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00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:58,160
subject don't reference kehoe as much

554
00:20:01,669 --> 00:20:00,160
much as i mentioned uh alan hendry there

555
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,679
are a lot of luminaries of of the

556
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,200
ufological past which are kind of

557
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,120
overlooked these days which is

558
00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:06,640
unfortunate because there were a lot of

559
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,160
great thinkers with a lot of great ideas

560
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,080
and and uh kehoe again he was very

561
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,000
beholden to this extraterrestrial

562
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,600
hypothesis but what got him interested

563
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:15,679
in these satellites i think really takes

564
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,160
us back to 1953 and at some point i do

565
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:20,400
want to go even further back but let's

566
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,120
get the core story as it relates to ufos

567
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,960
down first lincoln la paz of course he

568
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,400
had been part of the investigation into

569
00:20:31,950 --> 00:20:28,000
these green fireballs that started

570
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:31,960
appearing right around 1946 47-48 around

571
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,000
1953 la paz purportedly saw some strange

572
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,559
object visible only through satellite

573
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,400
that was orbiting earth

574
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,840
and uh kehoe had actually written about

575
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,440
this a number of decades later

576
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,120
commenting that during 1953 the air

577
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,720
force began experiments with new

578
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,240
long-range radar equipment and while

579
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,760
making the initial tests air force

580
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,919
operators were astonished to pick up a

581
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,360
gigantic object orbiting near the

582
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,280
equator and it was estimated gene that

583
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,120
around the time the speed of this object

584
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,520
was about 18 000 miles per hour and the

585
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,960
air force had checked this repeatedly

586
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,880
and it seemed to show that the tracking

587
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,320
on this in other words the speed and the

588
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,840
direction and everything was

589
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,000
indeed correct in other words some huge

590
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,640
unknown thing some object was circling

591
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,120
about 600 miles out now some would

592
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,919
dispute that estimate a little later but

593
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,039
what's interesting is that around the

594
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,640
time of that initial discovery which i

595
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,559
suppose was probably based on the

596
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,799
observation by la paz there was another

597
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,880
satellite object that again appears to

598
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,880
join this object they estimated this one

599
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,480
was a little closer to earth by about

600
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,120
200 miles placing it about 400 miles

601
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:33,280
distant so the defense department put

602
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,880
together an emergency satellite

603
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:36,320
detection project at white sands new

604
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,360
mexico

605
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,600
and on march 3rd 1954 the following year

606
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,760
they released an official statement at

607
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,360
the joint guided missile test range at

608
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:45,440
white sands new mexico this is really

609
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,880
where it all gets interesting because

610
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,400
they officially announce what they think

611
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,679
they're looking for and this is what

612
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:51,440
really got kehoe

613
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,880
interested in all this

614
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,240
their statement was that the armed

615
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,400
forces army ordinance state that we're

616
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,559
searching for tiny moons or moonlits as

617
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,240
they called them natural objects which

618
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,600
had come in from space and were now

619
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,200
orbiting the earth they'd not been

620
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,720
tracked or discovered sooner according

621
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,919
to a spokesman because they were

622
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,840
following orbits near the equator and

623
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,840
the scarcity of observatories there had

624
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,919
made them harder to locate but also

625
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,440
special automatic tracking cameras

626
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,960
moving at the satellite speed would they

627
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,640
believed be required to be able to see

628
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,799
these because such fast moving objects

629
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,559
gave off very little light and ordinary

630
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,960
telescopic cameras could not reveal them

631
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:24,720
and so it was the armed forces intention

632
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,840
at that time

633
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,760
to locate any of these so-called

634
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,600
moonlets that which could be used as

635
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,000
space bases for launching missiles for

636
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,679
the country's defense so what's

637
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:35,200
interesting about this is it implies

638
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,480
that the army was interested in seeing

639
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,880
if the earth had if not a second moon by

640
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,280
definition little moonlit space objects

641
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,440
that had somehow entered earth orbit

642
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,280
that they could use for defense purposes

643
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:47,440
let's continue with this and micah hanks

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more to come with gene and micah you're

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you're listening to the paracast the

747
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we have micah hanks we're talking about

748
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,440
moonlits mystery satellites the sort of

749
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,679
thing that lincoln lapaz was talking

750
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,679
about the sort of thing that major

751
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,080
donald kehoe was looking into now i'm

752
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,159
just in passing because i met kehoe a

753
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,840
few times and interviewed him a couple

754
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,799
of times

755
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,279
one thing about kiho is that i think his

756
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,440
basic belief in ufos

757
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:51,279
that there were spaceships the

758
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,120
government knew the answers i think 95

759
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,960
of the prevailing beliefs

760
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,600
in the 21st century about ufos

761
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,480
echo kehoe for the most part

762
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,720
would you disagree not at all no i think

763
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,760
you're absolutely right he formed

764
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the paradigm of ufos

765
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all right well let's go on here let's

766
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,159
talk about

767
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,679
moonlits now moonlits we're talking

768
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:16,399
about

769
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,520
tiny satellites or asteroids maybe yeah

770
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,120
the the general idea there is some

771
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,200
scientific literature about this that

772
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,520
over the years has speculated about how

773
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,840
a asteroid you know a meteor you know a

774
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,760
large enough space rock could enter

775
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:31,279
earth's atmosphere and yet not come

776
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,320
plummeting

777
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,240
down to earth digging into this

778
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,840
ufological thing which we can come back

779
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,679
around to a little later it got me

780
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:39,200
really interested in a tangent

781
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:40,399
phenomenon which really i think has to

782
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,600
be understood to really see where we're

783
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,520
going with this which involves the

784
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,760
search for earth's second moon gene did

785
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,240
you know the earth had two moons

786
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,480
well it wasn't one of the contact d

787
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,559
supposedly from a planet that's opposite

788
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,720
the earth that's why we never see it

789
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,240
yeah you know you've heard stories like

790
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,080
that over the years and there have even

791
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:00,480
been speculation about there being

792
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,760
a second moon but not orbiting earth an

793
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,919
actual satellite orbiting the moon which

794
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,760
we can come back to a little later so

795
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,679
the moon has a moon

796
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,279
well that was the theory and actually

797
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,799
what i would say is that the earth

798
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,640
technically right now

799
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:16,720
has a second moon now which that may

800
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,760
sound crazy but as recently as 2016 it

801
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,880
was confirmed that there was an object

802
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,559
that is in it shares an orbit with the

803
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,159
sun but it's definitely considered to

804
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,080
orbit earth and so yes we have a moonlit

805
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,240
right now okay

806
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,840
so i'll tell you what we'll take this

807
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,960
back and we'll try and understand

808
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:32,720
exactly why people believe that there

809
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,760
was a second moon it goes back to 1846

810
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,080
and at the toulouse observatory there

811
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,159
was an object that two observers there

812
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,240
had claimed that they had seen and the

813
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,840
director of the observatory there uh

814
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,360
frederick petit

815
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,000
had announced in 1846 that they believed

816
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,000
that a second moon existed based on what

817
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,399
they'd seen now here's what i speculate

818
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,880
if indeed these space objects can come

819
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,880
into orbit around the earth and these

820
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,080
are the sorts of things that may have

821
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,320
been seen in the 1950s it stands to

822
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,840
reason that about you know 100 years

823
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,360
before that maybe there were astronomers

824
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,960
who were seeing them too

825
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,559
but they were fascinated by this and

826
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,679
they thought well

827
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,960
if we're seeing

828
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,720
some object in its orbiting earth maybe

829
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:12,880
there is a moon that is of a different

830
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,520
composition from the known moon and

831
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,120
perhaps it therefore doesn't reflect as

832
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,279
much light and we can only see it with

833
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,880
uh proper

834
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,960
optical equipment i.e telescopes and so

835
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:24,720
maybe this thing's been essentially a

836
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,520
hidden a secret second moon and so by

837
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,600
around the 1850s astronomers were

838
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,360
getting kind of interested in this idea

839
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,240
in fact jules verne plays this up in in

840
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,640
1865 when he uh published from the earth

841
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:37,760
to the moon

842
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,559
he not only mentions a second moon

843
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,960
but actually credits petite from the

844
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,559
toulouse observatory as being the

845
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,559
discoverer of that gene that's something

846
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,000
you talk about a lot on the program i

847
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,919
love when people tie in these obscure

848
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,000
bits of science into their science

849
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,840
fiction and you know jules verne was

850
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,600
great at doing that

851
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,600
i know that edgar reich sparrows did a

852
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,919
lot of that when he did his

853
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,159
books on pellucidar which is about a

854
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,960
hollow earth and a civilization there

855
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,120
about what mars might be like that sort

856
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,760
of thing yeah some of my fav absolute

857
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,600
favorite stuff as far as science fiction

858
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,880
and fantasy goes

859
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,720
but throughout the 1880s we continue to

860
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,600
see

861
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,279
unusual things and i've really done a

862
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:19,120
lot of mining over the years

863
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,640
trying to find

864
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,840
references

865
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,679
whether or not they were accurate in in

866
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,000
terms of what the the observers were

867
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,600
seeing but trying to find references to

868
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,919
what were interpreted at the time

869
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,919
by astronomers as having been possible

870
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,360
sightings of

871
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,039
earth's second moon and one of the most

872
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,840
interesting ones comes from 1881 we had

873
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,440
the american polar explorer lieutenant

874
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:42,240
adolphus greeley and he was in greenland

875
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,360
at the time

876
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,360
and he observed something very strange

877
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,600
in the sky and and logged this and it

878
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,279
was ten days after the sun had actually

879
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:50,880
set for the winter at that polar

880
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,320
extremity and so it was believed later

881
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,240
uh by an astronomer astronomer from

882
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,880
hamburg named george waldmath

883
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,360
that he'd maybe seen earth's second moon

884
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,360
and walt math later went on to become a

885
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,919
proponent that this second moon existed

886
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,279
uh we had other people who had seen

887
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,360
something strange too in 1884 just three

888
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:11,679
years later we had a weatherman from

889
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,399
canada named eston wiggins that's always

890
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:16,240
a interesting name

891
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,279
and he had

892
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,799
appeared in print in the new york

893
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,360
tribune and had said that indeed he had

894
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,600
seen a second moon but he'd seen it two

895
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,200
years before that which would have been

896
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,519
only one year after adolphus greenlee

897
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,519
had seen his in greenland

898
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,760
and um so wiggins would not go on to

899
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,360
become this proponent i mean maybe one

900
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,279
of the greatest of the late 19th century

901
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,880
he believed there was a second moon and

902
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,799
we could predict where it would appear

903
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,679
in 1886 we had this new zealand report

904
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,760
that appeared in the toronto globe

905
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,600
that described a green crescent moon of

906
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,760
the most brilliant yet delicate shade

907
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,360
recently seen in new zealand they said

908
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,200
the phenomenon was visible for only half

909
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,519
an hour it has been seen since in north

910
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:56,559
america but each time only for about 29

911
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,679
minutes

912
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,640
and so

913
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,240
for a while i mean it really began to

914
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,679
kind of look like there was mounting

915
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:04,000
scientific evidence that a second moon

916
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:05,279
existed

917
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,080
uh

918
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,919
what we seem to know is that time is

919
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,159
told otherwise so one question we have

920
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,919
is what were the objects that these

921
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,840
people were seeing and i do kind of have

922
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,840
maybe an idea i think about that last

923
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:17,120
one the green crescent that was seen

924
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,320
over new zealand would you care to know

925
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,600
what that might be

926
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,360
laying on me there uh there is a

927
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,640
phenomena known as the green flash are

928
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,360
you familiar with this

929
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,679
just explain to our listeners

930
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:31,120
a lot of people

931
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:31,919
have

932
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,919
if you're looking out over the the ocean

933
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,320
and you're seeing for instance at sunset

934
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,880
just after the sun has gone down uh

935
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,200
there will be an optical phenomenon uh

936
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,000
in which a mirage-like effect produces

937
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,320
a good greenish usually because of the

938
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,760
the band of the spectra the color

939
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,440
spectrum that's that's most prevalent at

940
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,360
this time or under these circumstances

941
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,880
rather but a greenish little band of

942
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,039
light will appear over the horizon and

943
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:59,039
this is known as the green flash

944
00:34:03,110 --> 00:33:59,840
and

945
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:03,120
you google that because you can find

946
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,399
pictures of it if you've never been in

947
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,600
the right place and right time to be

948
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,640
able to see this but i've got a lot of

949
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,000
friends who actually have seen this

950
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,000
phenomena and so i kind of wondered if

951
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,679
maybe that green crescent moon if you

952
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,960
look at the green flash it does

953
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,720
sometimes have almost kind of a crescent

954
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,720
shape so i kind of wonder if maybe

955
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,720
that's what was being seen

956
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,960
in 1886 when they saw this this thing

957
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,960
out there over new zealand

958
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,119
but people would go on

959
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,960
uh and continue to say that yeah we have

960
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,520
seen this thing too in fact i mentioned

961
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,079
george waltermath he claimed he himself

962
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,760
had actually seen this thing and went so

963
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,159
far as to calculate the object's orbit

964
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,520
its motions

965
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,119
and he said it was once again too dark

966
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,480
to reflect enough light to even become

967
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,079
visible to the naked eye

968
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,919
so there were plenty of these reports

969
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,440
along these these lines that would can

970
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,760
you continue into the 20th century in

971
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,200
which people were trying to find a

972
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,520
second moon but we never were able to

973
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,440
find it so again one of the questions i

974
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,280
think we have to raise here

975
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,800
is if we never found evidence of a

976
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,480
second moon could there have been

977
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,160
objects objects that were being seen

978
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,920
that perhaps were more transient they

979
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,920
could appear for a while and then they

980
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,680
could maybe leave earth orbit for some

981
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,040
reason i don't doubt that some of these

982
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,359
people were actually seeing things but

983
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,040
none of them appeared to actually be a

984
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:13,040
conclusive evidence of a second moon i

985
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,079
think we'd know if there was a second

986
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,720
moon by today's standards huh well the

987
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:19,200
question here is are these objects

988
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:20,400
natural

989
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,320
that have some kind of artificiality

990
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,829
right construction

991
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,680
which we might say brings us back to

992
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,960
kehoe because

993
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,760
donald kehoe again the official military

994
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,599
explanation had been that well i mean we

995
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,560
want to look and see if there are

996
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,400
moonlits in earth orbit whether they've

997
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,160
been there for a long time

998
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,240
and we just didn't know about it and and

999
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,480
now if we can find some technological

1000
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,320
means by which to spot these things

1001
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,920
track them study them and perhaps use

1002
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,599
them you know let's let's use this to

1003
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,760
our strategic benefit

1004
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,200
but there was that opinion and then

1005
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,960
kehoe who was looking at this from the

1006
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,040
euphological angle and with the belief

1007
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,040
that e.t was visiting earth and

1008
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,560
naturally he says these are the

1009
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,800
motherships we're looking for these are

1010
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,560
the mother ships parked outside earth's

1011
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,760
atmosphere

1012
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,440
which are sending these drones or scout

1013
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,640
ships if you want to call them that the

1014
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,240
saucers that guys like kenneth arnold

1015
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,160
have seen and he says we found the proof

1016
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:15,680
and so he appeared

1017
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,880
in the newspapers in 1954

1018
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,440
announcing this and uh and of course

1019
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,680
saying very loudly as he often did that

1020
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,040
yeah the saucers are here and now we've

1021
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,040
got new evidence and that's what kehoe

1022
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,280
seemed to believe

1023
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,440
well the issue here is kehoe

1024
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,520
did tout

1025
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,320
apparent evidence over the years this

1026
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,800
proves the ufos are real and this is

1027
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,480
just another example

1028
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,079
of what that is we've got more to come

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1138
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,390
micah hanks is with us as we progress in

1139
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,599
our study of a phenomenon that was

1140
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,480
here

1141
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,760
years ago

1142
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,200
but what about after we started

1143
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,839
launching satellites did these reports

1144
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,319
of so-called moonlets or other

1145
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,720
satellites disappear

1146
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,040
they did not and to me that's where this

1147
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,040
really gets perhaps the most interesting

1148
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,040
because some of the great luminaries

1149
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,160
again of you know ufology have observed

1150
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,319
these mystery objects and again we can't

1151
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,000
i should point out gene conclusively say

1152
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,680
that these are asteroids

1153
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,280
any more than we can really say that

1154
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,359
they were mother ships or whatever like

1155
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,240
kehoe had uh you know theorized i do

1156
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,400
think though that we do have an idea of

1157
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,079
what some of the later ones were because

1158
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,880
you've got to figure after around 1957

1159
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,720
we're going to start seeing

1160
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,280
objects that were put in orbit by humans

1161
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,720
and of course we had certain failed

1162
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,119
rocket launches which we also see the

1163
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:29,040
debris from these and this might explain

1164
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,560
even some of the retrograde

1165
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:32,160
satellites but you know let's back up

1166
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,280
just a moment

1167
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,359
to again 1954

1168
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,200
when kehoe is out there this is just

1169
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,880
after the folks down at white sands have

1170
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,480
issued their statement

1171
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,680
and what they do is they actually go to

1172
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,040
clyde tombow

1173
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,640
discoverer of pluto many of the

1174
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,040
listeners probably know this he was put

1175
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,280
in charge of this satellite tracking

1176
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,760
project by army ordinance research

1177
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,920
it was reported in october 1955 in

1178
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:59,119
popular mechanics that tombow is closed

1179
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,400
mouth about his results he won't say

1180
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,680
whether or not any small natural

1181
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,040
satellites have been discovered he does

1182
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,599
say however that newspaper reports of 18

1183
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,280
months ago announcing the discovery of

1184
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,520
natural satellites at 400 and 600 miles

1185
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,680
out are not correct now of course those

1186
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,359
distances are the same that were given

1187
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,359
by kiho although it wasn't clear whether

1188
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,680
they were citing incorrect figures given

1189
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,760
by the army or incorrect figures that

1190
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,079
kehoe himself had given but either way

1191
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,520
he added and i quote from the popular

1192
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,680
mechanics article tombow adds there's no

1193
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:27,200
connection between the search program

1194
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,640
and the reports of so-called flying

1195
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,680
saucers

1196
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,640
so

1197
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,880
he very much was playing the skeptic in

1198
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,680
all of this right but tombow

1199
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,400
later on was associated with kehoe yeah

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00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,400
now that's a good maybe i could ask you

1201
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:42,800
do you know if tombow ever became an

1202
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:45,760
advocate for belief in flying saucers

1203
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,240
i believe he saw a ufo he had a sighting

1204
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,640
going back in the late

1205
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,040
1940s 1949

1206
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,280
record

1207
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,200
tombow was an american astronomer who

1208
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,680
discovered the planet pluto on august

1209
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,040
20th 1949 he observed a ufo that

1210
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,440
appeared as a geometrically arranged

1211
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,240
group of six to eight rectangles of

1212
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,640
light window like an appearance and

1213
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,200
yellowish green in color which moved

1214
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,920
from northwest to southeast over la

1215
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,839
cruces new mexico

1216
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:21,040
okay

1217
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,480
so definitely

1218
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,599
definitely

1219
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,599
there was that connection because he had

1220
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,960
a sighting

1221
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,960
that's fascinating although i seem to

1222
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:31,040
think that uh there was some sort of

1223
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,640
connection that he may have also had

1224
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,520
with the famous uh lubbock alliance

1225
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,720
incident i may be wrong about that i

1226
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,560
have to get back out to the library here

1227
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,839
and check out once we're done i'll have

1228
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,760
to look at uh ruppel's book on that

1229
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:44,000
because i i seem to think that tombow

1230
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,359
came up in that chapter about the

1231
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,280
lubbock incident but anyway we know now

1232
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,040
that he saw his own ufo so that is kind

1233
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,400
of interesting the very guy who had been

1234
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,760
tracking these so-called natural

1235
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:53,680
satellites later saw something that

1236
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,160
sounded uh decidedly unlike a satellite

1237
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,079
pretty interesting so yeah he's one of

1238
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,040
the people cited by kehoe

1239
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:06,079
as evidence of serious scientists seeing

1240
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,359
ufos

1241
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:09,680
and that's an example that he used

1242
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,560
well

1243
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,319
during the satellite study that he had

1244
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,520
done of course you know he had said that

1245
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,520
there not only didn't appear to be any

1246
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,520
link to the flying saucers but tombow

1247
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,119
had also said there further wasn't any

1248
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,640
existence of any of these near-earth

1249
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,560
asteroids you know the ones that people

1250
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,560
had said they were seeing

1251
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,720
were nowhere to be found and furthermore

1252
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,480
the ones that he had been looking for

1253
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,240
didn't seem to appear during this period

1254
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,640
that he was doing this investigation

1255
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,119
it's anyone's guess exactly what was

1256
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,560
going on here why these things would

1257
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,920
seem to show up i referred to them

1258
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,240
earlier as being transient

1259
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,480
but i'll tell you this gene after the

1260
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,319
army shuts this down after tombow comes

1261
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:46,000
out and says look we don't see anything

1262
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,880
here

1263
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,119
so we're going to shut down this project

1264
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,119
1957 rolls around

1265
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,280
and uh we have dr luiz corralos of

1266
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,040
venezuela's communications ministry and

1267
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,720
he'd been observing sputnik after it

1268
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,800
actually was the second one sputnik too

1269
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,560
but here's the interesting thing

1270
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,319
so he knew what he was looking at when

1271
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,960
he saw sputnik and of course after 1957

1272
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,960
as i noted many people would be

1273
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,800
saying oh come on you know we can expect

1274
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,000
that there would be man-made objects

1275
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,760
they might spot right

1276
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,760
so corralos was watching sputnik 2

1277
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,920
through a telescope when he noticed

1278
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,680
something else

1279
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,760
which was moving east to west

1280
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,760
in a retrograde orbit above the earth

1281
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,079
which was obviously not sputnik he was

1282
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,720
looking at sputnik and this other object

1283
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,280
comes along so he starts watching this

1284
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,880
and he's really confused about what this

1285
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,160
thing is

1286
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,680
and then we have three years later in

1287
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,599
august of 1960 the gruman aircraft

1288
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,520
corporation photographs

1289
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:38,960
something like this

1290
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,839
we have in may of 1961 the following

1291
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,280
year the smithsonian observatory at

1292
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,599
cambridge massachusetts spots an object

1293
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,040
they quote that the satellite was first

1294
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,720
spotted at jupiter florida an

1295
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,960
unsuspected unpredicted bright satellite

1296
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,400
and tracking stations around the world

1297
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,880
have been asked to help track it and

1298
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,119
despite the known objects that were

1299
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,640
being put in orbit at that time there

1300
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,560
were these mystery objects which again

1301
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,720
the astronomers were saying these don't

1302
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,319
look and behave

1303
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,760
uh they don't they don't match the

1304
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,680
flight paths of known expected objects

1305
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,440
that we are tracking so what are these

1306
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,440
and where do they come from so yeah we

1307
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,520
did have some of these mystery objects

1308
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,960
coming back to your question from

1309
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,960
earlier yeah that actually followed the

1310
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,319
era when we were putting these things up

1311
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,480
there and had the technology to do so

1312
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,040
what's curious here is that once we had

1313
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,119
loads of our own stuff

1314
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,920
in orbit more and more every year this

1315
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,400
entire issue appears to have faded away

1316
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,079
or am i wrong

1317
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,119
well i you know it's interesting because

1318
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,720
this period and the reason i think it

1319
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,400
became of such interest to me is because

1320
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:41,119
today if there were mystery objects in

1321
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,160
orbit around earth you know there was a

1322
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,760
recent japanese operation where they

1323
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,119
were attempting to try and clean up some

1324
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,520
of the potentially dangerous

1325
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,599
space debris around earth and they were

1326
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,880
trying to get up there and it was

1327
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,480
reported as being failed but again i

1328
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,760
think that it would just be incredibly

1329
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,079
difficult to try and remove uh all or

1330
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,920
even a majority of the space debris that

1331
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,920
we have put up there which potentially

1332
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,839
may also come crashing back down and at

1333
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,920
times could be viewed as being dangerous

1334
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,119
the bottom line is there's a lot of

1335
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,119
stuff that we've put up there

1336
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,520
in earth orbit uh the problem too is

1337
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,960
that if we're looking for something that

1338
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,240
is not our own

1339
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,240
there's a lot more you know a lot more

1340
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:16,079
noise than there is signal these days

1341
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,520
whereas

1342
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,119
presumably back in the early 50s and

1343
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,880
this is what really interests me about

1344
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,599
it

1345
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,119
we shouldn't have had that technology to

1346
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,599
put anything in orbit so it seems that

1347
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,359
we must have been looking

1348
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,680
at something natural right or is there

1349
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,280
another explanation you know one way

1350
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,720
that some may look at this is the idea

1351
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,640
of a secret space program walter bosley

1352
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:36,160
and some of the others who have been on

1353
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,599
the show and talk about the idea that

1354
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,680
there may have been technologies that

1355
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,160
involved aviation and uh even early

1356
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:44,079
precursors to aeronautics as we know it

1357
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,040
today

1358
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,040
or even aerospace for that matter that

1359
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,800
they may have been doing these kinds of

1360
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,640
things and that may somehow have

1361
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,480
exceeded what we know or had worked on

1362
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,079
the periphery of civilization as we know

1363
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,160
it hence the term coined by richard dole

1364
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,680
and breakaway civilization now i'm not

1365
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,920
necessarily saying that that's the case

1366
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,000
but one modern interpretation could be

1367
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,000
that what if there were technologies

1368
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,559
kept secret by some clandestine group

1369
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,319
and what if in the 50s they were up

1370
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,440
there and they were orbiting earth they

1371
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,559
had their own manned orbital

1372
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,839
laboratories

1373
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,040
and what if this is what we were seeing

1374
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,200
i mean it gets very speculative but

1375
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,400
there are different ways of looking at

1376
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,559
this i interpret it as being that they

1377
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,240
were probably natural

1378
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,760
as far as whether the phenomena goes

1379
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,720
away

1380
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,480
that's still a question because see what

1381
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,319
this all comes back around to is this

1382
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,880
idea that there is this 13 000 year old

1383
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,400
space probe up there

1384
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,559
of alien origin and it has a name it's

1385
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,640
known of course as the black knight

1386
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,559
satellite although the moonlits we could

1387
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,240
talk about all day i mean the story that

1388
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,040
really builds off of that that became

1389
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,800
the mythos of the black knight satellite

1390
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,559
is even weirder and it involves

1391
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,400
everything from messages from space and

1392
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,760
all of this kind of stuff to nikola

1393
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,480
tesla uh yeah i mean it's it's it's even

1394
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,000
more bizarre than just the search for

1395
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,760
the moonlits but i think that it begins

1396
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,960
there and if you want to see a

1397
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:57,040
continuation the advocates the

1398
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,480
proponents of the existence of that

1399
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,839
so-called black knight satellite they

1400
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:01,280
would tell you of course it's continued

1401
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,319
today

1402
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,160
and that's what we're dealing with

1403
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,200
okay so let's go back to the history

1404
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:10,160
of the black knight satellite without

1405
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,440
going back to what we've already looked

1406
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,000
at again we can we can see that

1407
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,480
from the 1850s onward

1408
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,400
there was an interest among astronomers

1409
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,480
to try and track

1410
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,559
various kinds of objects that they were

1411
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,720
seeing in orbit

1412
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,480
and much as i was kind of putting the

1413
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,800
idea out that hey there could be a

1414
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,640
breakaway civilization and some modern

1415
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,040
ufo enthusiasts who ascribed that idea

1416
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:35,040
would view this kind of retrospectively

1417
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:36,079
as being and that's what they were

1418
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,599
really seeing not moonlits or anything

1419
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,359
they were seeing actual spacecraft

1420
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,880
somebody was operating

1421
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,400
i think that there had been ufo

1422
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,680
proponents over the years that looked

1423
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,200
back at these early

1424
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,800
reports from the 19th century and they

1425
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,920
thought the same thing but they were

1426
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,839
going more along the lines of of thought

1427
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,680
that quijo would have advocated that

1428
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,440
there was something up there

1429
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,720
circling the earth and see what's

1430
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,920
interesting is we do have these

1431
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:57,440
instances where

1432
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,040
for instance we go back to uh 1899. okay

1433
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,119
nikola tesla it was said every day that

1434
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,720
he liked to

1435
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,079
monitor these emissions these

1436
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,760
frequencies which i think we now believe

1437
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,599
were probably radio emissions from deep

1438
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,680
space well not that deep really probably

1439
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,200
coming from saturn or something along

1440
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,599
those lines but at the time tesla had

1441
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:17,119
been of a mind to say i thought you know

1442
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,319
these could be

1443
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,680
radio transmissions from an

1444
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,760
extraterrestrial intelligence out there

1445
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,680
and so he'd sit there and the story goes

1446
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,040
of course this may be somewhat

1447
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,960
apocryphal but the story goes he would

1448
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,160
sit there and be reading the newspaper

1449
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,280
in the mornings and he would listen to

1450
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,960
these radio transmissions as though he

1451
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,800
were listening to a radio with alien

1452
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:33,839
voices

1453
00:51:54,990 --> 00:51:53,670
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

1508
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standard of paranormal radio

1509
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and now

1510
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:18,030
here's gene steinberg

1511
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,990
so we progress looking a little bit more

1512
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,200
about the

1513
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,079
issues of the black knight

1514
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,680
satellite now before we go on micah

1515
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,280
hanks i want to ask you here

1516
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,760
if there is a breakaway civilization

1517
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,760
and that civilization

1518
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,359
is a little bit more advanced than we

1519
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,079
are wouldn't that explain certain

1520
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,640
technological mysteries particularly

1521
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,520
around world war ii and thereafter

1522
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,839
that's one interpretation yeah i'm

1523
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,520
really fascinated with the idea of a

1524
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,760
breakaway civilization i do think to an

1525
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,200
extent that there could be such a thing

1526
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:54,880
i don't think perhaps quite to the

1527
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,280
extent uh that some of the ufo-related

1528
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,440
literature would espouse i've got a lot

1529
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,960
of friends in the community who really

1530
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,640
think that that's what's going on and

1531
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,559
tantalizing that notion is i'm not so

1532
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:06,559
sure that we necessarily have evidence

1533
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,599
for it but i'll tell you what we do have

1534
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,359
evidence of a couple of years ago i was

1535
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,440
in london at the london science museum

1536
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,000
and uh beth arzy and uh maria ernetta

1537
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,760
and i were walking through the museum

1538
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,160
and they had this great display all

1539
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,599
about the cosmonauts and the russian

1540
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,040
space program and they did talk about

1541
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:22,880
what was known as the mole and they had

1542
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,800
reconstructions of portions of what was

1543
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,720
the manned orbital laboratory that they

1544
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,960
utilized at the time it was in service

1545
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,640
of course this was essentially a small

1546
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,480
scientific research station that orbited

1547
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:34,480
earth russians used which was not of

1548
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,280
course

1549
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,200
publicly known like our modern

1550
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,040
international space station

1551
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:40,640
this is what i've always thought if the

1552
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,520
russians could have been doing something

1553
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:44,720
like that and they had their own

1554
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,800
quote-unquote secret space program that

1555
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,880
wasn't quite like anything that you hear

1556
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,319
about in the books these days about

1557
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,920
breakaway civilizations but nonetheless

1558
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,839
was similar enough to the kind of stuff

1559
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,359
you might have read in moon breaker or

1560
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:57,359
one of the james bond novels yeah it

1561
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,640
only stands to reason that with our

1562
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,079
technology and our ambitions that the

1563
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,920
americans have done things like that too

1564
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,200
and yeah some of this may have remained

1565
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:05,520
off the record so i don't rule out that

1566
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,559
possibility that there have been

1567
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,000
technologies of the years that far

1568
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,760
exceed our own and maybe that there have

1569
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,280
been instances where we have observed

1570
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,599
things that seem really weird that might

1571
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,440
otherwise be explained if we knew of the

1572
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,680
existence of those technologies gene

1573
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,920
what about a secret space program the

1574
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,839
other theory that goes with it

1575
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,440
yeah you know again i think that would

1576
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,640
fall into what we're talking about

1577
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,960
because it seems highly unlikely to me

1578
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,720
you know coming back to the early 1950s

1579
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,160
reports of strange things that were

1580
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,920
opening earth i don't know that i could

1581
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,680
say that somebody had a space program or

1582
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,000
even spacecraft and someone was

1583
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,760
launching these up there i mean i i do

1584
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,760
think that we would probably have

1585
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,599
more knowledge of that because to a

1586
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,680
certain point you kind of get to the to

1587
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,880
the point where you have to ask the

1588
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,720
question what would be the point of

1589
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,440
keeping all of this so secret and for so

1590
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,720
long i mean we've talked about going to

1591
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:52,079
the moon of course we have the

1592
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,680
international space station we have all

1593
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:55,599
this technology why would certain

1594
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,240
portions of the history of space travel

1595
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,839
be kept off the books because it's just

1596
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:02,160
considered to clandestine too secret but

1597
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,359
the russians come out and they tell us

1598
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:05,200
about the manned orbital laboratory a

1599
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,799
lot of the things that they were doing

1600
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:09,040
as far as a secret space program we

1601
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,400
can't rule out that there have been

1602
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,119
secret space technologies that either we

1603
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,119
in the western world or in the east have

1604
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,799
utilized over the years

1605
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,400
but i don't understand why certain

1606
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,920
aspects would be left out of the history

1607
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,599
books while others are included that to

1608
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:23,119
me is just odd

1609
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,839
what bothers me about it also is

1610
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:28,400
even if we had a secret space program

1611
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,359
that we

1612
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,319
were involved in we have countries

1613
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:34,079
who really don't care about our best

1614
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,200
interests

1615
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:38,319
and they would be only too happy to

1616
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,920
reveal something like this they had

1617
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:42,000
evidence for it yeah and with all the

1618
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,520
hacking and stuff that's going on these

1619
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,960
days i mean one could

1620
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,319
you got to be careful talking about that

1621
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,680
because i mean i mean that strictly in

1622
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,079
relation to this conversation gene but

1623
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,920
it's become a very politicized argument

1624
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,839
these days nonetheless one would think

1625
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:55,119
though that if there were information

1626
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,480
like that that could be obtained which

1627
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,040
would undermine u.s agencies and their

1628
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,799
strategy over the years we wouldn't have

1629
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:02,960
to be looking for recent data which

1630
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,799
would be considered more sensitive you'd

1631
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,720
think that hackers would be able to find

1632
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,160
all kinds of information going back

1633
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,559
decades that would reveal any sort of a

1634
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,400
secret space program or something like

1635
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,000
that and again i'm not gonna i'm not

1636
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,520
gonna tell the hackers so to speak to go

1637
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,720
out there and try and find this stuff

1638
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,480
i'm just saying that in one way or

1639
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:19,599
another you would think that if there

1640
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,480
were evidence for an ongoing secret

1641
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,160
along these lines that that would have

1642
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,799
been revealed unless of course and again

1643
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:29,040
coming back to like a james bond film

1644
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,799
kind of a theory i was recently watching

1645
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:33,440
the film spectre if indeed there is you

1646
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,559
know some

1647
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,160
dark nefarious organization that

1648
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,799
operates beyond the periphery

1649
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,520
of world governments and outside of the

1650
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,920
jurisdictions and the authority of the

1651
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,079
world governments then perhaps it could

1652
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,160
be kept off the books but i mean could a

1653
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,920
secret that's the fundamental question

1654
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,240
could that kind of a secret be that well

1655
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:54,640
kept and be maintained for so long

1656
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,000
only if they had direct interaction with

1657
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,319
existing governments for some reason

1658
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,799
yeah and made some kind of agreement

1659
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,400
yeah it's it's interesting

1660
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,240
you know john alexander

1661
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,160
you've had him on the show john is

1662
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:10,160
someone who has for years

1663
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,079
said you know i looked into this myself

1664
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,680
you know i went to the different

1665
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,040
branches of government they are not

1666
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,200
interested in ufos

1667
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,040
i like john but i also find that a

1668
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,799
little hard to believe and i think that

1669
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,240
the reason why is because we have to

1670
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:24,000
take into consideration things like the

1671
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,599
the very simple premise of

1672
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,680
need to know information people would

1673
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,359
always say that uh you know on the first

1674
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:31,040
day of office the president is sworn in

1675
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:32,079
and then they tell him all about what

1676
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,359
happened at roswell and who killed

1677
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,440
kennedy well i got to tell you as my

1678
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,200
good friend tiffany mack often says you

1679
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,359
know the pr the office of president is a

1680
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:41,359
temp position although we've laughed

1681
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,559
about that really if you think about it

1682
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,839
it's true i mean you're in that office

1683
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,960
for four years or eight if you're

1684
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,680
re-elected unless you're fdr which back

1685
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:50,000
by popular demand but uh

1686
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,119
again i think that we have to look at

1687
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,799
this in terms of are you really going to

1688
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,280
reveal to a temp position employee so to

1689
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:57,520
speak all the secrets of government i do

1690
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,559
not doubt

1691
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,400
that for purposes of defense and

1692
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,040
intelligence and secrecy and guarding

1693
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,799
the great secrets uh that are indeed

1694
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,040
pivotal and of potential danger to the

1695
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,799
american public and

1696
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,880
citizens around the world

1697
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,640
that certain information is not released

1698
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,319
publicly and that again the highest

1699
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,960
levels of political office are also

1700
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:18,319
not in the know about all of that

1701
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:19,920
information the question is who has that

1702
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,559
kind of information it's it's a very

1703
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,319
interesting but a very complex subject

1704
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,839
which i do think that you have to take

1705
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,280
into consideration when you're looking

1706
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,440
at something like ufos or or just you

1707
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,200
know government in general uh you know

1708
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,119
secret societies world powers all this

1709
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,000
stuff it would be naive to think that we

1710
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,160
have all of the data in front of us all

1711
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,599
of the answers and obviously someone

1712
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,680
does seem to have more than we do for

1713
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,359
reasons that perhaps we don't understand

1714
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,680
or are not meant to understand

1715
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,040
also i would think with the current

1716
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,960
administration if they revealed

1717
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:50,079
something

1718
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:51,280
the tweet

1719
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,960
would appear five seconds later

1720
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:57,040
yes that's right it would be all over

1721
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,390
oh that's good gene

1722
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:04,160
so i tend to think

1723
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,559
that they regard the president as the

1724
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,720
temporary occupant

1725
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:10,720
and they won't tell him anything unless

1726
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,760
he has the need to know if there's no

1727
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,079
compelling reason don't say it

1728
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,480
to anyone now it may be possible that in

1729
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:20,640
the early days of the ufo

1730
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,839
mystery in the days of truman in the

1731
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:25,599
days of eisenhower

1732
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,240
maybe they knew but i think over the

1733
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,640
years that became less and less so

1734
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,559
assuming there was any secret knowledge

1735
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,720
to present i would agree and i think

1736
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,160
that a lot of that again we might

1737
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,680
reference some of the historical work of

1738
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:39,200
richard dolan it's funny because a

1739
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,480
friend and i were sitting and talking

1740
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:42,000
the other day and he said you know what

1741
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,599
frustrates me about some of richard's

1742
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:45,280
books from you know with regard to the

1743
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,880
ufos in the national security state he

1744
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,880
says he's documenting all this history

1745
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,240
but he's not really giving opinions and

1746
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,680
i'm thinking well wouldn't you think

1747
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,200
that's what a good historian would do

1748
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,880
not that you can't have opinions i mean

1749
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,400
i'm often criticized to the same thing

1750
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,400
but sometimes we when we approach

1751
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:00,400
ufology from a historical context like

1752
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:01,920
what we're doing looking at the moonlit

1753
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,400
thing and the idea of again what i think

1754
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,160
really built onto a mythos that became

1755
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:08,160
the black knight satellite i think that

1756
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,520
it's important to understand that you

1757
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:11,359
have to be able to document the fact you

1758
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,960
can't go back and rewrite history you

1759
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,960
can give opinions on it but sometimes

1760
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,880
you have to state the facts and tell the

1761
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:19,119
story as it happened so it's not that we

1762
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,640
aren't giving opinions richard dolan or

1763
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,400
myself or whoever it's that we're going

1764
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,680
back and we're kind of mining for this

1765
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,520
data and trying to put together the

1766
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,359
narrative in a non-sensational way so

1767
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:29,440
that the facts are what remain and one

1768
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,799
thing i think that we can discern from

1769
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:32,640
that and really why richard is taking

1770
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,240
that approach with regard to ufos in the

1771
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,720
natural national security state

1772
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,559
is it shows that there is a sort of a

1773
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,160
political continuum with if you want to

1774
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,720
call it ufos or ufo technologies or

1775
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,720
whatever else there is this political

1776
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:46,559
continuum with regard to technology or

1777
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,079
of course as eisenhower warned the

1778
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,240
industrial military continuum or the

1779
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,920
military-industrial complex as he

1780
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,240
referred to it in which we see that yes

1781
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,839
maybe early on there were u.s presidents

1782
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:56,960
who really were

1783
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,040
often with their background in military

1784
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,640
commander in chief and they had access

1785
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:02,319
to this sensitive information but as

1786
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,680
time has gone on

1787
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,079
i think that the acquisition and and the

1788
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,680
the keeping of that information by the

1789
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,000
military bodies rather than the

1790
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,240
political leaders that divide i think

1791
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:14,160
has grown and with the you know

1792
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:15,200
compounding of that with the

1793
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,720
intelligence community of course and the

1794
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,640
digitization of surveillance and things

1795
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,640
in in recent years what we have seen is

1796
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,640
we've seen an intelligence

1797
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,720
and military branch of government that

1798
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,960
operates almost autonomously apart from

1799
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:29,200
the political decision-making and and i

1800
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:30,559
think that if there are

1801
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,520
indeed ufo secrets that anyone keeps

1802
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:35,520
terrestrial extraterrestrial you know

1803
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,599
transdimensional whatever else it would

1804
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,839
be kept in that upper echelon

1805
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,599
of again what eisenhower warned about

1806
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,400
that military industrial complex let's

1807
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,400
go into more of this in our next segment

1808
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continuing with micah hanks

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we started with mystery satellites

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moonlits

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black knight satellites what the

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governments

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of earth may know about the secret but

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if you're dealing with the military

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industrial complex

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if you funnel this off into private

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industry so there's no

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government connection except for maybe a

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few high muckety bucks that's a way to

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give them plausible deniability we don't

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know anything about it we have no ufo

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project

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we know nothing about it except that

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there was no evidence that ufos

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represent a national security threat

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because private industry took it over

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right i think that a good case can be

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made that again

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outsourcing to private industry and

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private agencies over the years has

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allowed not only for that plausible

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deniability but i mean sometimes they're

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much simpler methods of keeping people

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from asking too many questions that are

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employed recent example for instance fbi

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has now said that they will no longer be

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accepting except for in rare

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circumstances email queries for freedom

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of information act here it is the 21st

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century and they're saying you have to

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either use snail mail or fax machines

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does anyone still have a fax machine

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please contact me if you do because i'm

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going to need that to be able to file my

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foias

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well i do have an electronic fax system

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i pay just a few dollars a month which

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is cheaper than having a separate fax

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line right and it's an efax

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that's not the one most of you know

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01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,799
about it's a lot cheaper than that one

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but that way

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i have the same fax number i've had for

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20 years or 25 years

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and i could receive faxes it doesn't

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happen very often it happens often

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enough to need it

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but yeah it's strange why they would

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insist on doing something there with the

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technology that no one really needs well

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but gene i mean it's i don't think it's

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that weird i think it's pretty obvious

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why they would do that what they're

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hoping i don't think they're trying to

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cover up information i think what

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they're trying to do

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as other agencies already do by the way

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i mean i think they're following in the

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footsteps of the cia and other agencies

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that really operate very similarly what

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they're hoping to do is limit the number

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of foia requests that are incoming so

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that they can kind of weed out all but

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the serious ones the people who are

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willing to go to the trouble of

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working through snail mail or using

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facts but what that naturally is also

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going to do is it's going to reduce

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transparency because the ease of access

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is thus limited and i think that that is

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really fundamentally a problem with

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government today that we face with all

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01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,960
of the technology afforded us you would

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think that it would be easier for them

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to just be able to put up information

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and not have to pay money for the paper

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and whatnot they can utilize the

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bandwidth instead and they can just

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communicate digitally almost on an

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01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,600
exclusive level backpedaling like this

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01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,199
obviously is intended to try and reduce

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01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:07,040
the number of queries and while that

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might be seen as something that's

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beneficial or practical it does i think

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definitely present some issue in terms

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of transparency and that i think is in

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01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,760
terms of modern american culture and

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society is a problem that we have to

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face and take seriously so here it's

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01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:24,000
discouraging people from trying to get

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that information

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and then even when you do

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make an application for it send the

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request in the normal way the way that's

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01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,840
prescribed they can always come back and

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01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,520
say well the information is not clear

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01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,440
enough the query is not clear enough

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01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,760
you've got to change three words and if

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you figure out what those three words

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are maybe we will accommodate your

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request

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right yeah it was put to me by a friend

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in aerospace a few years back i wanted

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01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,400
to try and begin inquiring about some of

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01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,040
these large triangular ufos the big

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01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,520
black triangles as people call them and

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01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,440
under bob bigelow although there's

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certain controversy associated with some

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of that his national institute for

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01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,000
discovery science did some really good

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research into those back in the early to

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mid 2000s before they disbanded and i

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thought well i'll just try filing some

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01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,360
foi a request and a friend of mine with

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01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,840
a lot more background with this sort of

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01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,679
thing than i have told me you'd have a

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01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,600
hard time trying to get any information

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01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,920
about these technologies via foia

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01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,520
because you know mikey you're not going

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to be able to just file a request and

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01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,960
say tell me about the triangle craft you

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01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,480
have to be so specific and you have to

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01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,239
be able to have relevant terminology and

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01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,239
what's really frustrating is friends of

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mine who worked in government for years

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01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,679
have said things like you know we know

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01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,199
of certain documents that have actually

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been released

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they're no longer classified but for

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01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:40,080
them to be released to the public you'd

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still have to be able to utilize very

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01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:43,360
specific terminology and know what to

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01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,880
ask for to be able to obtain those

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01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:46,719
documents so it's very frustrating

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they're actually free for release if you

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01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,560
know what to ask for but how do you know

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01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,159
what to ask for if you don't know what

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01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:54,960
the actual terminology that refers to

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01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,880
what you may be looking for let's say

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01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:58,800
you know the exotic kind of aircraft or

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01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,840
something like that if you don't know

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01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,679
what specifically to ask for how are you

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01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,520
ever going to get those documents

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and if you do know and you do use the

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01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,920
right terminology they can say see we

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01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,679
told you it's available you just have to

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ask for it no i wanted to go back to

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something we talked about earlier very

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01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,159
briefly you brought up nikola tesla and

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01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,560
he's often connected with mystery

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01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,640
science and mystical things

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and you did raise a topic here and i

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01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:24,880
wanted to follow up on it because it's

2079
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,280
just something that seemed curious to me

2080
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:29,760
nikola tesla and his

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01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,960
communication with aliens how so when

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01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,320
well again this would have been around

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the turn of the last century 1899 into

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01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,000
the 1900s he was observing or monitoring

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01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,400
we might say radio transmissions that

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01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,760
came from space

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01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,840
and what tesla had said

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01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,520
on a number of occasions he had he had

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kind of posited that maybe he was

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intercepting transmissions

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radio communications from alien species

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that turned out not to be the case

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01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:57,840
but the reason i bring that up in the

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01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:00,080
context of this argument first of all

2095
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,840
let's just say that tesla has remained a

2096
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:04,080
mystery because of the uh the

2097
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,440
associations he may have had with

2098
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:07,199
various things you know ranging from a

2099
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:09,040
death ray there have been people who

2100
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:10,000
have theorized he may have been

2101
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,760
responsible for the tunguska blast of

2102
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:14,000
1908 i don't think that's likely but

2103
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,520
that's something that uh we explored

2104
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,600
recently on the grayling report podcast

2105
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,880
you know let me just erase something

2106
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:21,120
just hit me when you said that death

2107
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:22,080
rays

2108
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,280
yeah there was a movie back in the 1930s

2109
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,440
that you might see online somewhere with

2110
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,159
bella lugosi playing this mad scientist

2111
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,880
who develops kind of a death ray the

2112
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,719
invisible ray

2113
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:36,320
and i wondered here

2114
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,400
you know what maybe this was loosely

2115
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:41,199
based on the stories about tesla

2116
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,120
yeah it's a possibility i mean you know

2117
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:45,520
his influence in culture has been uh you

2118
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,760
know very profound even though he was

2119
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,440
really kind of given the short end of

2120
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,440
the stick in terms of the you know the

2121
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,600
payout and the treatment

2122
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,080
of tesla and his inventions and of

2123
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:58,000
course at the time that he died i mean

2124
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,960
of course

2125
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:00,880
there have been numerous fya requests to

2126
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:03,840
the fbi dating back to the 50s looking

2127
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,320
for information about what what tesla's

2128
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:08,000
lost archives you know may have entailed

2129
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:09,520
and i've gone to the fbi's website and

2130
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,760
read some of those and have never been

2131
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,280
able to find anything more than what we

2132
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,880
already know is that you know he had

2133
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,239
interest in a number of

2134
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,640
very unusual things which yes included

2135
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,400
the idea that alien communication might

2136
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,880
be achieved in the future now he wasn't

2137
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:24,239
right about what he was monitoring but

2138
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:25,360
what does all this have to do with this

2139
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,560
conversation

2140
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:27,600
what's interesting is that the

2141
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,520
proponents of the modern idea of this

2142
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:31,840
black knight satellite gene they look at

2143
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,719
what tesla was doing around the turn of

2144
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,199
the century 1899 or so and they were

2145
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:39,440
like you know what if he was picking up

2146
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:42,159
radio signals brilliant inventor you

2147
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,440
know and forward thinker that he was

2148
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,520
what if he was picking up on something

2149
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,120
and that was the earliest evidence we

2150
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:50,159
had of an ongoing phenomena

2151
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,760
which we began to see the continuation

2152
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:53,440
of in the 1950s with these mystery

2153
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,480
satellites and things and there were

2154
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,480
other things too that were showing up

2155
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:58,560
over the years we had in the uh

2156
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,159
1920s i think it was right around 1927

2157
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,640
but the experiments took place in 28

2158
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,239
between two scandinavian researchers

2159
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,560
carl stormer and a geophysicist or he

2160
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,080
was a geophysicist his associate

2161
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,239
balthazar vonderpol great name was a

2162
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:14,239
physicist and he worked with the philips

2163
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:15,679
research labs

2164
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:17,199
and they were investigating a really

2165
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,719
weird phenomena which

2166
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,480
to this day this is a this is one of

2167
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,560
these genuine unexplainables i'm sure

2168
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:23,760
there is an explanation for it but we

2169
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:25,040
don't know what causes it it's called

2170
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:27,679
long echo delays let's talk about more

2171
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:30,880
of this and go back to nikola tesla and

2172
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,040
that movie i did her search for the

2173
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:35,120
movie the invisible rain i'll tell you

2174
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,640
something there it's interesting we've

2175
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:38,320
got more to come with micah hanks and

2176
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:53,350
thank you for listening to gcn

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01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,600
be sure to visit gcnlive.com today

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01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:59,520
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01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:01,760
carrier for two years what if there were

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plus.thepowercast.com now i briefly

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mentioned connection with nikola tesla

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a movie that came out in 1936 called the

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invisible ray

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and it started bela lugosi and boris

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karloff a few of their pairings and i

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was looking at this old photo of tesla

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where he has the mustache

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and the character that boris karloff

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plays in this movie

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has a mustache

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don't know if there is any resemblance

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but what it says here is a scientist

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becomes murderous after discovering and

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being exposed to the radiation of a

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powerful new element called

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radium

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x

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01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,760
it's interesting how movies like that

2316
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:05,679
are inspired

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01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,560
by possible real events who knows

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01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,040
yeah absolutely

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01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,040
go on please

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01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,520
i would find it hard to believe in fact

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that somehow uh tesla had not influenced

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01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,320
those kind of science fiction films and

2323
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,000
again you know as it relates to the

2324
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:24,719
moonlit mystery black knight satellite

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01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,480
there have been those theorists who said

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01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,400
well you know tesla he may have been

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01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,840
monitoring these radio emissions that's

2328
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,520
really all that tesla you know has to do

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01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,840
with all of this but i will i will add

2330
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,840
to that that again tesla's influence

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01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:38,239
being as profound as it is uh has led to

2332
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:39,600
a lot of speculation about whether he

2333
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:43,600
might even be in um in some way

2334
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:44,239
or

2335
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:45,440
i don't know that we could say he is

2336
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:47,920
involved but it could be that certain

2337
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:50,800
inventions that tesla had envisioned

2338
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,000
for the future

2339
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,080
had predicted certain ufo technologies

2340
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,639
or perhaps even influenced them now i

2341
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,560
wish i had more knowledge about that the

2342
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,159
problem is i've gone back and dug

2343
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:02,159
through every kind of back catalog

2344
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,760
edition of of

2345
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:06,080
electrical engineer magazine or i'm

2346
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,520
sorry it was electrical experimenter

2347
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,560
magazine uh popular science you know

2348
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:12,400
looking for every and a lot of them are

2349
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,320
available if not all of them online but

2350
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:16,320
uh scanning through all these old pdf

2351
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,840
issues and reading the actual text of

2352
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:18,960
these articles

2353
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,679
i try to find these anecdotal statements

2354
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:23,520
that tesla alleged you know he was

2355
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:24,719
alleged to have made where he talked

2356
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,360
about cylindrical craft and aircraft

2357
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,560
that would require he you know he

2358
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,320
scoffed at what was taking place at

2359
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:31,679
kitty hawk out there the wright brothers

2360
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,960
and all that he said you know in the

2361
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,120
future that's going to be seen as a very

2362
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:38,159
very uh limited mode of air travel the

2363
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:39,679
aircraft of the future that i envision

2364
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,760
will be a tubular device that can just

2365
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:43,520
lift off straight off the ground and go

2366
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:44,719
straight up and it can travel at

2367
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:46,800
incredible speeds and come to an abrupt

2368
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,080
halt and

2369
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,520
you know really some fascinating stuff

2370
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,760
that does seem to describe

2371
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:54,159
later ufos these flying cigar-shaped

2372
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,520
ufos

2373
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:56,880
but i dig through these magazines and

2374
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,159
that's what's so disappointing is it's

2375
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,960
so difficult to find the actual quotes

2376
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:03,120
and this is a phenomenon unto itself

2377
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,880
quotes that are misappropriated to

2378
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,199
historical figures presidents inventors

2379
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:09,120
like tesla you find this kind of a thing

2380
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,719
and at the end of the day you'll find

2381
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:13,040
that so many websites continue to use

2382
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,040
these these sometimes completely

2383
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:17,120
fabricated quotes that seem to tie

2384
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:19,120
together a number of mysteries

2385
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:20,480
and i think that really in large part

2386
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,520
that's kind of what has happened with

2387
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,800
the black knight satellite they see

2388
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:24,239
tesla sitting there reading his

2389
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,080
newspaper in the morning monitoring what

2390
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:28,639
he believed in the 1890s were alien

2391
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:30,320
transmissions from another planet and

2392
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,520
likelihood they weren't i mean there

2393
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,719
were probably radio emissions from

2394
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:34,239
natural sources right here within our

2395
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,679
solar system

2396
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,520
but then we we come forward to carl

2397
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:39,040
stormer who i mentioned at the very end

2398
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:40,800
of the last segment and his associate

2399
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,679
vanderpol and they were studying these

2400
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:45,360
long delayed echoes what would happen is

2401
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,120
they'd send a radio signal and then

2402
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,280
sometimes as much as like 14 15 seconds

2403
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,920
later they would get the message

2404
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,400
coming back to them in an echo a very

2405
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:56,080
long delayed echo

2406
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,280
there are a lot of theories and i've

2407
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,280
written articles about this myself

2408
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,280
a lot of theories that try to explain

2409
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,000
this but by far the most

2410
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:06,400
novel of them gene uh really didn't come

2411
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,520
to light until about

2412
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:11,360
1973 i believe there was a scottish

2413
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,840
science writer named duncan lunan

2414
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,760
and he published a paper

2415
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,360
that uh it was actually published in an

2416
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,199
academic journal and he wasn't exactly a

2417
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,560
ufologist i mean he was known as a

2418
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:22,800
science writer but lunan suggested that

2419
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:25,199
these long delayed echoes

2420
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,560
were in fact due to an alien probe

2421
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,560
that might be monitoring earth

2422
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,239
and he later kind of retracted some of

2423
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,920
his theories but what he had essentially

2424
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:35,280
said was

2425
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,719
you know if there's some sort of a probe

2426
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:38,080
up there they may be receiving our

2427
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,440
signals and they may as a form of

2428
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:41,040
communication or some other mechanism

2429
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,400
sending these things back and the

2430
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:45,040
transmission versus the processing time

2431
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,800
and then the receipt of the

2432
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:48,960
the echoed message this could account

2433
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,320
for some sort of an object that's up

2434
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,560
there observing the earth and he was

2435
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,920
very serious about this i mean he really

2436
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,600
thought this might be a thing

2437
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:57,280
he was also criticized for that later

2438
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,639
retracted some of the statements but

2439
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,920
this is really where i think things

2440
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:01,199
began to come together because people

2441
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,719
were like hold on

2442
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,880
now tesla was monitoring stuff back in

2443
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,639
you know the 1890s

2444
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:08,000
and then in the 20s we had our

2445
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:09,520
scandinavian friends out there who are

2446
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,199
receiving these long delayed echoes and

2447
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,800
now we've got duncan lunan who's looking

2448
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:14,239
at this and of course you tie all that

2449
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,000
together with the objects that were

2450
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:18,159
being observed by tombow and others in

2451
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,600
the 1950s

2452
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:21,920
well could it be that maybe there is a

2453
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:24,719
alien probe circling the earth

2454
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:27,040
and you add to that the modern nasa

2455
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,239
photographs that seem to show these

2456
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,719
weird objects out there floating around

2457
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:32,800
which generally this is where we have

2458
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,639
our best evidence of the so-called black

2459
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:36,080
knight satellite and sure enough people

2460
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:37,120
have said

2461
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,239
you know over the years with the

2462
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:40,400
accumulation of this information

2463
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,920
there is something up there there's

2464
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:43,040
there's actually something that's been

2465
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,480
monitoring us and somewhere along the

2466
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:46,560
way gene this idea that it's a 13 000

2467
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:48,080
year old satellite that was placed by

2468
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,679
extraterrestrials

2469
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,159
came together as well

2470
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:54,000
i became fascinated with trying to

2471
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,760
understand how did all of this lead to

2472
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:57,280
this very clear

2473
01:28:02,550 --> 01:27:59,760
narrative about this this alien vessel

2474
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:02,560
that was placed in earth orbit um

2475
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:05,600
and it's it's a very odd phenomena in

2476
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:06,560
itself

2477
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:09,360
because the best i can discern we can

2478
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,800
determine that with the with the

2479
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:12,719
photographs the nasa photos released

2480
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:14,159
which of course this is what's funny

2481
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:15,120
people will tell you well you know

2482
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:16,159
they're not going to show you anything

2483
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:17,280
real they're going to airbrush

2484
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,120
everything out of the photos and yet

2485
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:21,040
it's the very same photos nasa releases

2486
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:22,400
that people who are the advocates will

2487
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:23,600
go to and they'll look for these

2488
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,040
so-called black knight satellites or

2489
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,639
whatever else in the photos that are

2490
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,280
supposed to be airbrushed by nasa

2491
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:31,120
you know again it's very convenient that

2492
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,639
when people want to spot something

2493
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,840
they'll find it

2494
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,960
and if they can't find what they're

2495
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:36,320
looking for they'll say that well

2496
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,320
because nasa airbrushes it the object

2497
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,840
that's often referred to in the nasa

2498
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,360
photographs available online over the

2499
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,800
last few years

2500
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:44,159
usually probably photos that were taken

2501
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:46,159
from one of the sts missions

2502
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:47,679
it's probably actually what's what's

2503
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,560
called a

2504
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:50,800
thermal blanket or a heat blanket

2505
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:53,360
that was drifting apart from the space

2506
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:55,920
shuttle or in some recent instances

2507
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:57,280
they're probably similar since

2508
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:58,560
situations where debris may have been

2509
01:29:01,350 --> 01:29:00,239
photographed from the space station

2510
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,360
whatever else

2511
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:03,360
against speaking with aerospace experts

2512
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:05,360
i've had time and time again

2513
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,639
people look at the objects that are

2514
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:08,880
pointed out by theorists as the black

2515
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:10,080
knight satellite and i'll say you know

2516
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:11,360
you can you identify this and they say

2517
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,560
yeah i mean i'll tell you exactly what

2518
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,400
that looks like

2519
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,560
the further problem is that those who

2520
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,960
are more skep well those who i guess we

2521
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,480
might say are conspiracy minded and i

2522
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:22,159
think you know again many who listen to

2523
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:23,679
this show probably are and i am to a

2524
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,280
degree too so i'm not trying to

2525
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:26,639
marginalize them but i'm going to say

2526
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,120
that there are certain people who if any

2527
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,960
person in authority says no we we know

2528
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:32,560
what that is i mean that's a heat

2529
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:34,080
blanket i mean look you know here's this

2530
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:35,520
this and this

2531
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:37,120
we tend to be

2532
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,679
very critical of opinions given to us

2533
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:41,280
from officialdom because well of course

2534
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:43,040
but that's what they want us to believe

2535
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,400
right

2536
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:46,400
which further compounds the problem i

2537
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:49,120
think the officials sometimes

2538
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,800
encourage that impression we don't

2539
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:52,639
believe the government anymore

2540
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:54,719
i often said that if

2541
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:55,840
obama

2542
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,360
during his presidency trotted out

2543
01:30:03,870 --> 01:30:02,000
e.t and said okay we are going to admit

2544
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:03,880
now that we've been visited by

2545
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,199
extraterrestrials and here is e.t and

2546
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:09,199
they're going to communicate with you

2547
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:11,280
most people would think it's an actor

2548
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:12,400
made up

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01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:14,000
people would not believe what he says

2550
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:15,679
and i think that's true with any recent

2551
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:16,960
government leader

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01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:18,800
george w bush

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bill clinton i don't know but certainly

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bush

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obama and trump be the same thing we've

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got more to come

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talking about

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weird things out there

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listening to the paracast the gold

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an entertaining discussion looking at

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interesting mysteries

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01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:31,199
what's going on out there

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01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:32,239
what's happening what does the

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01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,080
government know about it

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01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:36,880
are we being visited by e.t

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01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:41,189
something left here from old

2674
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,280
civilization and that's an interesting

2675
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:45,360
thing here say we did have something

2676
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:46,960
that was put into orbit

2677
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:49,760
13 000 years ago

2678
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:52,560
would it be necessarily from

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01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,360
an alien civilization or an advanced

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01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,840
civilization on earth that no longer

2681
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:59,520
exists

2682
01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:00,800
gene you could take it one step further

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01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:02,480
and you could say what if in order to

2684
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,520
monitor

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01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:05,760
the rate of progression of humans since

2686
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:07,199
ancient times

2687
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,600
we from the future travel back and we

2688
01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:11,440
put the thing there ourselves 13 you

2689
01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:13,120
know 13 000 years

2690
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:15,120
prior to the present but we may not

2691
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,920
actually get to the point

2692
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,920
technologically where we have uh the

2693
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,679
device in question

2694
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,520
for another who knows you know five

2695
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:23,199
thousand years and so we travel back and

2696
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,560
we put it there i mean again this you

2697
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:26,639
can see where the the conversation very

2698
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:28,159
gradually begins to trickle over into i

2699
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:29,760
think science fiction

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01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:30,480
but

2701
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,920
i also think that sometimes a little

2702
01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:33,360
abstract thinking can be good for the

2703
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:35,120
mind and certainly good for the soul and

2704
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,679
i'll also point out a little 14 in here

2705
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,679
uh going back to june 1961 i'm a

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01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:41,199
collector of old magazines and things

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01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:42,639
and i've got a lot of great old fake

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01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:44,000
magazines

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01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:45,440
some of which have been given to me by

2710
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:47,440
phyllis goldie but also some that i've

2711
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:49,040
collected and inherited from people over

2712
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:49,920
the years

2713
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,400
and in the june 1961 issue there was a

2714
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:54,400
pretty neat article about these mystery

2715
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:55,600
satellites that had been written by

2716
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,480
harlan wilson 1961's an interesting year

2717
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,320
because that was the same year of course

2718
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,719
that we had a young astronomer with the

2719
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:04,080
french space committee named jacques

2720
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,159
vale he'd been among the staff and he'd

2721
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,560
observed an unusual retrograde satellite

2722
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,840
he and a number of the other staff

2723
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,880
members

2724
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:12,800
and they were really excited by it and

2725
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:14,239
they thought that it was again they

2726
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:15,440
actually thought this might be an

2727
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:18,639
asteroid that had entered earth's

2728
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,719
gravitational pull and somehow had been

2729
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,800
uh able to enter in orbit rather than

2730
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:24,560
coming crashing down

2731
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:26,960
and he was amazed when he saw his uh

2732
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,719
superiors take the tape and they

2733
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:30,719
basically you know whacked it as they

2734
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,800
would say and this is part of what got

2735
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:34,719
valet interested in ufos to begin with

2736
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:36,159
but he and likelihood observe one of

2737
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,239
these things too so that same year

2738
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:40,000
there was an article in fate magazine in

2739
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:43,119
june by harlan wilson and uh he had

2740
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,400
talked about again these various

2741
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:46,000
appearances of this what was often

2742
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:47,679
referred to as a retrograde satellite

2743
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:49,840
now i'll tell you this

2744
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:51,920
i suspect in fact there's satellite

2745
01:37:56,350 --> 01:37:54,239
orbital orbital data and also launch

2746
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:56,360
records available online i think

2747
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:58,159
spacetracker.org is one website that

2748
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,119
we've used to look for this kind of

2749
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,800
thing in the past but it seems pretty

2750
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,400
evident that probably it was an early

2751
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:05,040
rocket launch that failed which caused

2752
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:07,280
one of the uh apparatus to actually

2753
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:09,040
enter a retrograde orbit and i think

2754
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,679
that right around the 1960-1961

2755
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:13,440
period and time magazine even reported

2756
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:15,040
on this and i can find the quotes here

2757
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:17,040
someplace but i'm pretty i'm pretty sure

2758
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:18,560
that the retrograde object that was seen

2759
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:21,199
around that time was one of ours

2760
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:23,040
and what's funny is digging into that

2761
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:24,719
initial mystery and frankly trying to

2762
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:26,159
find out what it was that valet may have

2763
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:27,920
seen back in 61

2764
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:29,119
that's what kind of turned me on to

2765
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,480
these earlier reports which prior to

2766
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:32,320
that i didn't know existed so harlan

2767
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:33,840
wilson wrote about him in fate magazine

2768
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,000
that year and he quoted a stamford based

2769
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:38,000
australian radio astronomer named ronald

2770
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:39,360
h bracewell

2771
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,800
and bracewell said something very

2772
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,320
interesting which again i think also may

2773
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,840
have contributed to that later

2774
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,520
supposition that hey what if we had an

2775
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:47,520
alien probe up there and he said and i

2776
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:50,239
quote if a superior civil civilization

2777
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:51,520
really wanted to pick up signals it

2778
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:52,960
would do much better to send an

2779
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,440
interstellar probe to the vicinity of a

2780
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:57,280
star being investigated such a

2781
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:59,199
civilization would even send a spray of

2782
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,920
probes maybe aimed at 1 000 likely stars

2783
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:03,360
the probes would be programmed to

2784
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:05,280
re-broadcast any radio transmission they

2785
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:07,040
might hear so for all we know what

2786
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:08,480
braced well had to say there may have

2787
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,000
even influenced duncan lunan in the

2788
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:12,400
1970s and certainly the ongoing mythos

2789
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:13,600
of the black knight satellite that

2790
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,239
continues today

2791
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,239
there you go

2792
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:20,719
but how does any of this at all circle

2793
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:21,679
back

2794
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,239
to the ufo mystery or does it or are

2795
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:26,400
these all red herrings that just kind of

2796
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,920
showed up

2797
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,840
well that would be my opinion i think

2798
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:31,280
gene that uh

2799
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,040
again you know i i try to be careful

2800
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,960
about you know saying and conclusively

2801
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:36,960
now we can explain this because as you

2802
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:38,080
and i well know i think there are a lot

2803
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,920
of people who identify as the ufo

2804
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,159
debunkers

2805
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:44,080
where they will they will unravel

2806
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,679
something and they will find a more

2807
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:47,280
likely narrative which i think maybe as

2808
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,600
it relates to the mystery moonlets you

2809
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:51,199
know we kind of outlined that we looked

2810
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:52,400
at some of the science we looked at some

2811
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:53,520
of the history

2812
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,480
and we've looked at the way that

2813
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,480
speculation is built onto the modern

2814
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,560
black knight satellite notion what does

2815
01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:00,159
it have to do with ufos i think the

2816
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:01,840
problem is is that people will often

2817
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:04,719
build these speculative narratives

2818
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:06,159
and then they'll say and therefore

2819
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:07,520
aliens you know or they will or they

2820
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:10,000
will use this speculation to inform what

2821
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:11,520
they think the likely possibilities are

2822
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:14,400
as it relates to ufo phenomena um i see

2823
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:15,600
often the same kind of thing happening

2824
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,960
with abduction

2825
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,239
people will describe abduction

2826
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:20,400
experiences which may or may not have

2827
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:23,520
anything to do with a actual landed ufo

2828
01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:25,199
craft i mean people claim that they're

2829
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,800
visited in their bedrooms by light

2830
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:28,239
beings and all these kinds of things and

2831
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:29,679
i've been told these stories by people

2832
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,880
over the years the point is not to try

2833
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:32,320
and say that they're all crazy by any

2834
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:34,480
means the point is to say

2835
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,920
but what does that necessarily have to

2836
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,440
do with ufos

2837
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,119
and you begin to see over the years that

2838
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,719
there are a lot of things that i think

2839
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,239
that very

2840
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:44,560
you know very committed researchers like

2841
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:45,520
kehoe

2842
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:46,800
they were very serious about what they

2843
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:47,920
did and what they were trying to learn

2844
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:49,920
but i think that unfortunately by not

2845
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,119
being careful enough with the

2846
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:53,679
information certain data becomes

2847
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:56,000
ingrained within the ufological

2848
01:40:59,590 --> 01:40:57,760
mythos

2849
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:59,600
but it may not necessarily have anything

2850
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:01,280
to do with it i think that the moonlets

2851
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,840
are a mystery nonetheless and remain as

2852
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:05,520
such and again i mean

2853
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,960
we've got a lot of little near-earth

2854
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:09,119
asteroids that actually have entered an

2855
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:10,719
orbit around earth of some kind we've

2856
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:14,080
3753 uh kruthnay uh we had another one

2857
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,960
that was titled 2002 double a29 and more

2858
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:18,960
recently i mentioned in april of uh last

2859
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:22,480
year uh 2016 h03 was an asteroid again

2860
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,280
it's

2861
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,520
way too far out there to actually be a

2862
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,119
moon because it shares an orbit with the

2863
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,960
sun but technically it also does orbit

2864
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,800
earth and thereby it is a moonlit we now

2865
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:32,480
know that these things exist

2866
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,760
that to me is a

2867
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,920
fascinating mystery but it's not

2868
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,480
necessarily one that is ufological

2869
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,239
and and i think that by studying these

2870
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:42,320
things and really trying to understand

2871
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:43,440
what they are and why they're different

2872
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,760
from ufos what that does is it's like

2873
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,600
chipping away the excess stone to reveal

2874
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,679
the statue beneath eventually i think

2875
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:51,280
there's going to be a statue of ufology

2876
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:52,719
we may be able to understand but we've

2877
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:56,560
got to chip away the excess stone first

2878
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:58,080
well it's certainly interesting to look

2879
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,560
at all these side mysteries that

2880
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:02,639
occurred with the ufo field

2881
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:03,520
i mean

2882
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,719
in

2883
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,560
different ways there were all sorts of

2884
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:08,080
theories

2885
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,639
in the 50s that ufos were not

2886
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:13,119
necessarily from other star systems but

2887
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,040
planets in our own solar system and as

2888
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,280
we learn more about what happens in our

2889
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:19,920
own solar system those theories fell by

2890
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,440
the wayside

2891
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:23,760
so instead of having

2892
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:26,400
flying saucers from mars for example

2893
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,199
well

2894
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:29,840
maybe it's possible that

2895
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,320
it was colonized by

2896
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,920
individuals

2897
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,159
beings from other star systems they went

2898
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:37,760
to mars they went to the moon they set

2899
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,639
up bases and they visit us

2900
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:42,960
but there are no longer

2901
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:46,080
the possibility that we have native

2902
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:47,760
e.t

2903
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:50,080
on those planets that really changed i

2904
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,600
mean keo in his early days was talking

2905
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:53,920
about the martian canals even

2906
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,480
oh yeah absolutely and i think that

2907
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,320
tesla also had suspected maybe that

2908
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:00,480
those radio transmissions he was uh

2909
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,520
monitoring if alien i think he even even

2910
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:05,280
tesla had again it wasn't unusual to

2911
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:06,560
hear that kind of thing

2912
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:08,000
in the late 19th century but yeah he

2913
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:09,840
certainly thought that maybe mars was

2914
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:12,719
somehow connected with all of that

2915
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,159
yeah that's how things have changed

2916
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:18,159
somebody's certainly yeah

2917
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,440
so much so

2918
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:22,000
that we no longer quite think of that

2919
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,080
in that sense our theories about ufos do

2920
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:29,280
you think though and this takes us to

2921
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:30,880
the overall

2922
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,600
architecture here of our discussion

2923
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:35,440
with all these little side mysteries

2924
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,400
have we learned anything more about ufos

2925
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:40,800
since the 1950s what do we know that's

2926
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:41,920
different

2927
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:43,840
well you know ruppled at the end of his

2928
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:45,520
book which again i recommend everybody

2929
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:47,760
read if you really want to understand i

2930
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:50,159
think that that that very era in fact

2931
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:51,679
where these uh you know these kind of

2932
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:54,320
mystery satellites were being observed

2933
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:55,679
and this was from a guy who was really

2934
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:57,119
at the forefront of really digging into

2935
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:58,400
this because the air force had put him

2936
01:44:01,750 --> 01:44:00,400
in charge of it

2937
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,760
uh well

2938
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:03,440
there's also that conspiracy theory gene

2939
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,040
that uh project blue book was just kind

2940
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:07,199
of like a puppet agency in that the real

2941
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:09,520
architects of blue book had been the cia

2942
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,880
i think that april you know jim and

2943
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,960
coral lorenzen had had put forward that

2944
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,480
idea that cia were really the ones

2945
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,639
behind the ufo study group all along and

2946
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,400
that you know project blue book was a

2947
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:20,400
red herring altogether uh i still think

2948
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:22,159
we got some pretty good data from

2949
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:24,239
project blue book the problem is that in

2950
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,920
the years that followed toward the end

2951
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:27,600
of the program it was it became

2952
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,320
increasingly evident that uh that the

2953
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:32,480
blue book uh the researchers and the

2954
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,679
research that was being carried out

2955
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,080
seemed to be aimed at discrediting and

2956
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:38,080
playing down ufos i think they began to

2957
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:39,280
get really bored with it and tired of

2958
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,719
spending taxpayer money on it and then

2959
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,119
the colorado university ufo project was

2960
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:45,520
the final nail in the coffin so to speak

2961
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:46,400
um

2962
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:47,760
but again

2963
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:49,600
have we learned anything report had said

2964
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,880
at the end of his book you know i'm

2965
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:52,400
confident that in the coming years we'll

2966
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:54,560
have an answer to the ufo phenomena and

2967
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:55,679
yet we don't

2968
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:58,239
and so the modern skeptic mind looks at

2969
01:45:01,830 --> 01:45:00,080
this and says well we have no answers

2970
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:01,840
and therefore there's nothing to see

2971
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,719
here

2972
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:04,239
and then the hopeful believer says well

2973
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,600
but of course there's something to see

2974
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:08,320
here how can you possibly ignore it now

2975
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,760
the problem is i think that either of

2976
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:11,520
these attitudes can be fairly

2977
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,560
ideological i like to advocate a certain

2978
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:16,000
centrism when it comes to looking at

2979
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:17,360
this subject and trying to understand

2980
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:18,800
ufos because

2981
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,840
you know as soon as you become

2982
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:21,360
ideological somebody asked me they said

2983
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,800
you know what do you think is the best

2984
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,639
way to be a modern skeptic

2985
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:26,800
let's continue with this and micah hanks

2986
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:29,360
more to come with gene and micah you're

2987
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:42,070
thank you for listening to gcn

2988
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:42,840
visit

2989
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:49,669
we also have swag you know we have all

2990
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so different items and entails t-shirts

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for men we have all sorts of sizes like

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small up to x large a lot of good stuff

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[Applause]

3043
01:48:03,189 --> 01:47:59,590
welcome back to the paracast the gold

3044
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:03,199
standard of paranormal radio

3045
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:04,480
and now

3046
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,070
so we continue with micah hanks

3047
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,280
exploring the strange the unknown

3048
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:19,679
about ufos

3049
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:21,920
moonlit's second moon

3050
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,400
mystery satellites and more mica

3051
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:26,480
continue please

3052
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:27,920
well we look at i mean all of the range

3053
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:29,679
of phenomena we've discussed over the

3054
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:31,040
course of this conversation we could

3055
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:32,880
gene go back to previous conversations

3056
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:34,400
you and i have had over the years on the

3057
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:35,199
show

3058
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:37,119
and uh the question to me at the end of

3059
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,480
the day is

3060
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:39,920
how much of what we're talking about

3061
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:42,639
here has to do with actual ufos now

3062
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:43,600
again

3063
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:45,360
these moonlits presumably that's what

3064
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:47,040
these things were back in the 1950s that

3065
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:48,639
were being observed they were

3066
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:50,159
unidentified

3067
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,760
and although maybe not flying they were

3068
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,480
unidentified orbiting objects so uos but

3069
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:56,639
that just didn't have the ring that ufos

3070
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,400
does by the way it was unexplained

3071
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:00,159
aerial phenomena and it certainly does

3072
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:02,560
fall into that category of strange

3073
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:04,320
things we observe in the skies but

3074
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:05,679
trying to separate the wheat from the

3075
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:07,119
chaff so to speak i mean we can look at

3076
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:08,560
this and i think that there is a case to

3077
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:10,560
be made that we know more now than we

3078
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:12,800
did decades ago and thereby some of this

3079
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:15,119
phenomena is explainable the problem is

3080
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:17,040
people use the outdated information from

3081
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,560
decades ago and sometimes more than a

3082
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:20,560
century ago in the case of what tesla

3083
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:22,000
believed he was monitoring there in his

3084
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:23,679
laboratory and we see that they build

3085
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:26,080
this onto a narrative that may be more

3086
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:28,000
speculation and myth like the black

3087
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:30,480
knight satellite rather than actual fact

3088
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,679
and of course there's still people who

3089
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:33,760
debate that with me and have have argued

3090
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,040
well you know what you're describing

3091
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:37,119
here about the black knight satellite

3092
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:38,719
and all these theories about or this

3093
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,880
thing this one presumably may actually

3094
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:43,040
be it doesn't fit all the criteria i

3095
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,480
have people who get angry with me when

3096
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:46,880
when i cite the research from military

3097
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:49,119
sources and from scientific literature

3098
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,520
but i don't talk about uh various

3099
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,679
you know more fringy i guess kind of uh

3100
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:55,280
interpretation if i leave out for

3101
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:57,679
instance the the theory that

3102
01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:59,199
i think the the the whole thing about

3103
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:01,679
the thirteen thousand year old satellite

3104
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:04,400
had something to do memory serves uh

3105
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:07,199
with you know a hypothetical translation

3106
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:09,199
of some sort of a radio message that

3107
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,719
again this dated back decades and

3108
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,880
decades ago i didn't include that in

3109
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:14,400
some of the writing i've done on the

3110
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:15,760
origins of the black knight satellite

3111
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:17,679
mystery because to me it wasn't very

3112
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,679
good information and i've had people

3113
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:21,280
write to me and say you left this out by

3114
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:23,360
the way i often have to reply and say

3115
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:24,639
thank you for pointing that out but you

3116
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:26,080
know i'm not going to use

3117
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,520
incredible

3118
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:29,920
data in support of what i hope will be a

3119
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:32,639
very credible argument about this this

3120
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:34,719
study so maybe we could you know at this

3121
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:36,560
point kind of move along to looking at

3122
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:38,960
what then does constitute real what

3123
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:41,119
you'd call real ufo

3124
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:43,840
phenomena if this doesn't uh i had a

3125
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:45,600
researcher just a couple of years ago

3126
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:46,480
telling me that he thought that the

3127
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:48,080
abduction phenomenon was the most

3128
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:50,960
important aspect of the broader ufo

3129
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,000
problem and how we're going to

3130
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,320
understand this and i'm thinking

3131
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:56,880
but then again is ufo abduction

3132
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,360
something that we can say is always

3133
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,280
associated with ufo

3134
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:03,119
observations i mean how many times do

3135
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:04,639
you hear about people who have the

3136
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:05,920
nighttime experience where they're

3137
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:07,360
surrounded by beings or something like

3138
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:09,040
this and someone awakens into this kind

3139
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:10,639
of an experience but they have no

3140
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,639
recollection of seeing a ufo

3141
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:14,320
not many people who say that they have

3142
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,080
had these experiences and may even have

3143
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,400
had ongoing encounters like this they

3144
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:19,920
also are people who may never have ever

3145
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:22,400
seen a ufo in their lives and i recall

3146
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:23,520
whitley strieber and others over the

3147
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:25,040
years even doubting whether what they

3148
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:26,560
were experiencing was necessarily

3149
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,320
something ufological if not something

3150
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:31,040
completely apart from the so-called ufo

3151
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,800
mystery so again i think that you know

3152
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,320
if what we're really aiming to do is

3153
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,639
study ufos we benefit from studying

3154
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,719
things which through proper critical

3155
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,239
analysis may end up at the end of the

3156
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:42,719
day not being the ufos we were looking

3157
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:44,080
at because what that does again is that

3158
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,599
helps us separate

3159
01:51:48,629 --> 01:51:47,360
the non-ufological things from what

3160
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,639
really may be the best evidence that

3161
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:50,159
helps us move forward which many would

3162
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:53,119
argue after decades and decades

3163
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:54,880
we still don't have enough of to make a

3164
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,520
good solid case for ufos

3165
01:52:01,830 --> 01:51:59,280
so that's one of the problems we face at

3166
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:01,840
what point do we say we either have not

3167
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:03,040
enough evidence or we have not

3168
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:05,040
accumulated enough and therefore we

3169
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,960
should cease study there were some who

3170
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,560
would say that by the 1960s that was the

3171
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:10,320
case i mean is that the case today i do

3172
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,920
believe that the anecdotal evidence

3173
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:13,440
stands for something there are certain

3174
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:14,960
videos and photographs i've seen over

3175
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:16,480
the years that are good but you know

3176
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:18,159
talking with david marlar a few months

3177
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,719
back he had mentioned that no photo in

3178
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:22,400
this digital era is ever going to be

3179
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:23,679
good enough so

3180
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:25,599
i mean if we can't even rely on decent

3181
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:27,520
photographs of these things what good

3182
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:29,440
evidence do we have

3183
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,360
that helps us substantiate the claim for

3184
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,199
ufos and their existence

3185
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:36,239
how do you know anymore that is really

3186
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:39,520
difficult to say now one thing that

3187
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,320
has been done that helps us separate

3188
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,400
the cases the real ones and the ones not

3189
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:47,119
surreal things like kevin randle has

3190
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:48,560
been doing where he's been going back

3191
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,159
into older cases

3192
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:52,800
trying to look at them and re-verify the

3193
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,360
information this is why he disbelieves a

3194
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:57,280
lot about roswell not that nothing

3195
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,560
happened there

3196
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,800
but we don't have the evidence of

3197
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:03,119
space beings the evidence that's a

3198
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:05,840
crashed spaceship all that stuff sort of

3199
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:08,239
fades away into well something happened

3200
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:11,520
we have no idea what it was and probably

3201
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:13,280
unless there's some secret information

3202
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:15,119
somewhere that we discover

3203
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:16,719
we'll never solve it

3204
01:53:20,629 --> 01:53:18,960
it's one of those insolubles

3205
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,639
which sounds almost like something you

3206
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,400
mix with water but it's like that he's

3207
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,480
looking at cicara new mexico which i

3208
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,560
think holds up a lot better so that's an

3209
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:28,800
important thing that we've existed for

3210
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:31,520
so long on these older cases depended on

3211
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,520
them as being the linchpins of ufo

3212
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:35,599
reality and now we're realizing you know

3213
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:36,560
what

3214
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:37,920
maybe not so

3215
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:39,760
right yeah with with the again the

3216
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:40,960
discussion of the black knight satellite

3217
01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:42,880
in the moonlets you might even look at

3218
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:44,320
you know the information i'm presenting

3219
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,920
in relation to that you might look at

3220
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:47,520
that as being similar to what kevin

3221
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,360
randle has done by the way a researcher

3222
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,800
that i have so much

3223
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:52,560
respect for randall's a really uh

3224
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:54,400
intelligent guy and i haven't often do

3225
01:53:56,950 --> 01:53:55,679
listen when i'm traveling and i do

3226
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:56,960
travel often

3227
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:59,440
so i do listen to the paracast when when

3228
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,880
i'm on the road

3229
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:02,320
i haven't gotten to that episode yet and

3230
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:03,280
i really want to listen to that and

3231
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,040
people many would say well but isn't he

3232
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:07,440
talking about roswell uh we didn't you

3233
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:08,560
guys say you were gonna close the book

3234
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:09,760
and now you've got micah hanks on there

3235
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:12,239
talking about it but i'll say this

3236
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:13,920
and then i promise this will be at least

3237
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:15,920
for me the final agenda you'll get about

3238
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:17,040
roswell

3239
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,800
it is important to look back with the

3240
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,239
acquisition of new information or the

3241
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:22,480
reinterpretation of old information

3242
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,520
and it is important to try and again

3243
01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:27,760
look at these things critically and say

3244
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,920
can we close the book call on this

3245
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:31,440
i often say this you also had jeffrey

3246
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:33,040
meldrum on your show recently another

3247
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:34,480
fascinating interview

3248
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:36,560
he's a proponent of belief in the

3249
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:39,599
so-called patterson gimlin bigfoot film

3250
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:41,280
and i want to tie this in with ufology

3251
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:42,719
but here's what i want to say about that

3252
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:43,599
film

3253
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:45,840
people continue to argue about is it

3254
01:54:49,830 --> 01:54:47,360
real or is it not is it the best

3255
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,840
evidence or is it nothing and i say

3256
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,679
leave it alone let it be and let's keep

3257
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:53,440
looking for good evidence

3258
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,840
and when people ask why i say

3259
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:58,080
the patterson gambling footage

3260
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:00,000
as good as it may look it has not

3261
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:02,320
succeeded in convincing the scientific

3262
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:03,360
community

3263
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,040
that a physical flesh and blood

3264
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:07,440
biological creature

3265
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:10,239
some you know relic hominid

3266
01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:12,480
exists that footage obviously is

3267
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:14,880
incapable of providing the smoking gun

3268
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:16,400
it is not the proof we're looking for

3269
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,080
because it has remained incapable of

3270
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:20,000
convincing the scientific establishment

3271
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:21,679
so we need therefore to find better

3272
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:22,880
evidence

3273
01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:24,719
and so you could say with roswell too it

3274
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:26,800
was long viewed as being one of the best

3275
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,520
ufo cases of all time

3276
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:31,440
and on further reflection and inquiry

3277
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:33,199
over the most recent

3278
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,639
you know series of books that have been

3279
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:36,159
written on this and over the last few

3280
01:55:38,629 --> 01:55:37,040
years

3281
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:38,639
uh the critical analysis seems to

3282
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:40,000
indicate that it is less than it was

3283
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,159
once probably thought to be and so why

3284
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:44,080
is it important for someone like kevin

3285
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,280
randle to

3286
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:47,599
again spend all this time disproving

3287
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:49,199
what was once the best ufo case if it's

3288
01:55:52,470 --> 01:55:50,480
not the best case why worry about it

3289
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:52,480
well if we can at very least say that

3290
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:54,159
it's not the best ufo case and it's time

3291
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:55,679
to move on maybe then people will

3292
01:55:59,830 --> 01:55:57,679
actually see the importance of not

3293
01:56:01,430 --> 01:55:59,840
emphasizing roswell and yet there are

3294
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:01,440
continuously books written about it you

3295
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:03,360
know festivals planned around it that's

3296
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:04,960
okay but let's differentiate between the

3297
01:56:09,430 --> 01:56:07,119
ufo industry

3298
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,440
and the actual research which is looking

3299
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:11,440
ahead at trying to find that good

3300
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,719
evidence you know whether that be some

3301
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:14,560
piece of film or something else or some

3302
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:16,800
again hopefully physical evidence that

3303
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:18,639
would satisfy the chemist or the

3304
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:20,400
physicist out there that seems to be

3305
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,920
really what we're lacking in the ufo

3306
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:23,440
narrative today

3307
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:25,840
and uh which at times gene has

3308
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:27,440
brought me back around to a more

3309
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:29,360
skeptical perspective on things but i'll

3310
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:31,840
tell you what i can't rule out uh is

3311
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,080
that again when i talk to people who say

3312
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:36,239
the thing was disc shaped

3313
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,480
i saw it with four other people

3314
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hear their information here's here their

3315
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names you can call them

3316
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you can talk to them we this is what we

3317
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:45,280
saw we all saw this

3318
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:46,719
please don't share our information this

3319
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is just for your

3320
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benefit you know if we we thought this

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might be useful to you

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when you have these kind of

3323
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circumstances where you have no physical

3324
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:55,679
evidence but somebody who says or a

3325
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group of someones who say that they've

3326
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seen something

3327
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and

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you know get get attention or fame or

3329
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notoriety from that

3330
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you know i mean i realize that that

3331
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anecdotal data is not going to prove at

3332
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:11,280
the end of the day that ufos whatever

3333
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they may be that they exist

3334
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:15,199
and we can leave that interpretation for

3335
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a later time at this moment in time all

3336
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:19,599
we really need to work i think focus on

3337
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is working at trying to determine

3338
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whether there is a phenomena or perhaps

3339
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several phenomena that constitute

3340
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broader ufology and belief in them

3341
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if we can define that and we can say yes

3342
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there is something that exists

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let's go on to more of this

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the fundamentals of the ufo mystery and

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so it appears that chris o'brien who was

3456
02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:15,520
on special assignment wasn't able to get

3457
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:17,599
back in time for our session with micah

3458
02:02:22,310 --> 02:02:19,920
hanksy really sorry that he couldn't get

3459
02:02:23,350 --> 02:02:22,320
here but we're talking about here not

3460
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:23,360
just

3461
02:02:28,790 --> 02:02:26,320
old mysteries related to ufos that we

3462
02:02:30,390 --> 02:02:28,800
kind of sort of don't talk about anymore

3463
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:30,400
we're talking about the fundamentals

3464
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:31,280
which is

3465
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:33,280
is there enough out there now to say

3466
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:35,520
there is a ufo mystery that something is

3467
02:02:39,669 --> 02:02:37,920
happening we cannot understand and how

3468
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:39,679
do we figure it out and what's been

3469
02:02:44,390 --> 02:02:41,760
troublesome to me and i've written some

3470
02:02:47,510 --> 02:02:44,400
columns about this recently is that most

3471
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:47,520
ufo research organizations or ufo

3472
02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:50,159
so-called research organizations

3473
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:51,599
are in the business of collecting

3474
02:02:57,189 --> 02:02:52,719
sightings

3475
02:02:58,709 --> 02:02:57,199
golly gee whiz look at the sighting look

3476
02:02:59,669 --> 02:02:58,719
at this abduction

3477
02:03:01,270 --> 02:02:59,679
okay

3478
02:03:02,950 --> 02:03:01,280
what's going on well we all assume it's

3479
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:02,960
spaceships therefore let's wait for the

3480
02:03:06,070 --> 02:03:04,560
government to tell us

3481
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:06,080
and the government doesn't tell us we

3482
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:06,800
can

3483
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:08,800
at least use them as an excuse well if

3484
02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:10,800
the government doesn't tell us

3485
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:12,480
what ufos are

3486
02:03:16,629 --> 02:03:14,800
we can't find out they have the secret

3487
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:16,639
and we've got to persuade them

3488
02:03:20,149 --> 02:03:18,560
if we can't persuade them well maybe the

3489
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:20,159
president of the united states will tell

3490
02:03:25,109 --> 02:03:21,040
us

3491
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:25,119
don't have hillary clinton who promised

3492
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:26,639
to look into it not that it means

3493
02:03:29,189 --> 02:03:27,679
anything

3494
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:29,199
the guy in there now i don't think he's

3495
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:30,800
ever been asked that question

3496
02:03:34,629 --> 02:03:32,480
so if he's ever asked i guess he'll give

3497
02:03:35,510 --> 02:03:34,639
us an answer or maybe he'll blame it on

3498
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:35,520
clinton

3499
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:37,280
or blame it on the

3500
02:03:41,750 --> 02:03:39,440
fake news media i don't know

3501
02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:41,760
i don't get into politics i have no idea

3502
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:44,320
what kind of answer you'd get if that

3503
02:03:49,270 --> 02:03:46,080
question was even asked

3504
02:03:51,189 --> 02:03:49,280
but we can't palm this off to somebody

3505
02:03:53,189 --> 02:03:51,199
we can't blame somebody else for the

3506
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:53,199
fact that loads of people around the

3507
02:03:57,750 --> 02:03:54,960
world have seen things they do not

3508
02:04:00,070 --> 02:03:57,760
understand how do we get back

3509
02:04:01,750 --> 02:04:00,080
to figuring out what they did see i

3510
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:01,760
think kevin randall does one thing

3511
02:04:05,589 --> 02:04:03,280
that's good which is to take the stuff

3512
02:04:07,990 --> 02:04:05,599
that we assume to be genuine give it

3513
02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:08,000
another look and if it passes muster

3514
02:04:12,149 --> 02:04:09,760
well that's another piece of data but

3515
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:12,159
how do we interpret that data yeah at

3516
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:13,360
the end of the day that's an important

3517
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:14,239
question

3518
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:15,920
i'll tell you what's also important and

3519
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:17,280
we don't have to get into politics just

3520
02:04:21,430 --> 02:04:19,280
to bring up the fake news thing there

3521
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,440
was a recent report

3522
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:23,599
it's slipping my mind which news agency

3523
02:04:27,109 --> 02:04:25,679
carried this but there was a skeptic who

3524
02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:27,119
was quoted

3525
02:04:31,030 --> 02:04:29,679
about the origins of fake news and what

3526
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:31,040
had been said in the article had been

3527
02:04:36,870 --> 02:04:33,760
that fake news began in the 1950s and

3528
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:36,880
60s with civilian ufo groups

3529
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:38,880
which were disseminating

3530
02:04:43,750 --> 02:04:41,360
bad information about you know ufo

3531
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:43,760
landings and alleged alien contact close

3532
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:45,840
encounters and things and that the media

3533
02:04:48,709 --> 02:04:47,520
would run with this and report this you

3534
02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:48,719
know namely in the tabloids but

3535
02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:50,560
occasionally more venerable and reliable

3536
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:52,000
news sources would still pick up on

3537
02:04:55,589 --> 02:04:52,960
these

3538
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:55,599
fake news stories so say if the skeptic

3539
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:58,320
you know i find that a very odd argument

3540
02:05:01,750 --> 02:04:59,440
because i mean if you look at the

3541
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:01,760
history of american journalism gene

3542
02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:03,679
we can go all the way back and we can

3543
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:05,360
see that again in the in the age of

3544
02:05:10,229 --> 02:05:07,520
nikola tesla or much earlier i mean sam

3545
02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:10,239
clemens aka mark twain good friend of

3546
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:11,360
tesla's

3547
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:13,440
had actually on record

3548
02:05:17,430 --> 02:05:15,840
authored newspaper hoaxes himself now he

3549
02:05:19,350 --> 02:05:17,440
would often do that because he was

3550
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:19,360
trying to make a political point there

3551
02:05:22,229 --> 02:05:20,719
was a california company one time that

3552
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:22,239
was cooking their books and basically a

3553
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:23,840
lot of investors had lost their money

3554
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:24,800
and it had a lot of negative

3555
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:27,440
repercussions he wanted to attack

3556
02:05:30,790 --> 02:05:28,800
companies that would cook their books

3557
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:30,800
like that and do unscrupulous things

3558
02:05:34,070 --> 02:05:32,400
with other people's money and so he

3559
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:34,080
wrote this entire hoax about a man who'd

3560
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:35,599
lost all his fortune investing one of

3561
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:37,440
these california companies murders his

3562
02:05:40,870 --> 02:05:38,880
family slits his own throat and rides

3563
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:40,880
into the nearest town with his nearly

3564
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:42,880
severed head hanging off his body as he

3565
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:44,320
rides on horseback it was an

3566
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:46,719
intentionally gruesome story that mark

3567
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:49,760
twain completely fabricated as political

3568
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:51,599
commentary to attack these companies and

3569
02:05:55,830 --> 02:05:53,840
show the negative repercussions of their

3570
02:05:57,350 --> 02:05:55,840
misuse of other people's money so the

3571
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:57,360
point is is that you also had what were

3572
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:59,440
called the anandas kind of an esoteric

3573
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:01,840
term but these were the liars clubs of

3574
02:06:04,870 --> 02:06:03,679
the day then you had groups of people

3575
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,880
who would sit around you know drink

3576
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:06,560
whiskey play cards and try and cook up

3577
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:08,239
stories that the local dailies the

3578
02:06:12,229 --> 02:06:10,480
newspapers would carry so fake news is

3579
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:12,239
by no means something that we can blame

3580
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:13,280
april

3581
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:15,040
or the other civilian ufo groups of the

3582
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,960
golden age of ufology we can't blame

3583
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:18,719
them for fake news i'm sorry

3584
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:20,480
that is a fundamental untruth and that

3585
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:22,880
is a misunderstanding of the way that

3586
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:25,040
the media has often employed and some

3587
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:26,960
writers doing it for virtuous

3588
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:29,040
reasons but nonetheless that media in

3589
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:30,400
america has involved

3590
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:32,639
fake news stories for more than a

3591
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:35,040
century but what that does show us is

3592
02:06:39,030 --> 02:06:36,560
that if people are willing to try and

3593
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:39,040
pin this on the ufo community i think

3594
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:41,599
that it says a lot about the broader

3595
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:44,560
mistrust of ufo advocates especially by

3596
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:46,480
modern skeptics i was revisiting

3597
02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:47,679
something interesting today gene that

3598
02:06:52,390 --> 02:06:50,320
you'd appreciate it was a debate on

3599
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,400
nightline from back in the day you may

3600
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,920
have seen this i mean when it actually

3601
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:55,760
aired but it was stanton friedman and

3602
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:58,400
philip j class debating the ufo subject

3603
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:59,599
on nightline

3604
02:07:03,030 --> 02:07:00,960
boy imagine if you could have that kind

3605
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:03,040
of a you know television show these days

3606
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:05,119
i mean everything's reality tv

3607
02:07:08,149 --> 02:07:06,560
i would love to see some good you know

3608
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:08,159
put kevin randall in a good skeptic you

3609
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,199
know toe-to-toe and have him on

3610
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:10,880
nightline today you'd just never see

3611
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:12,560
that today

3612
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:15,040
but uh in this debate

3613
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:16,320
it's very interesting because you have

3614
02:07:20,229 --> 02:07:18,480
philip class who often would and he said

3615
02:07:22,229 --> 02:07:20,239
this about virtually everyone that he

3616
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:22,239
attacked he would dig up things about

3617
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:24,000
their criminal record he would dig up

3618
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:25,760
things that would paint this individual

3619
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,119
the ufo the alleged ufo witness or a

3620
02:07:32,950 --> 02:07:31,280
captive abductee experience or whatever

3621
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:32,960
you want to call them he would dig up

3622
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:34,239
things that would cast them in a

3623
02:07:37,189 --> 02:07:36,159
negative light which may or may not have

3624
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:37,199
anything

3625
02:07:42,709 --> 02:07:40,560
directly in relation to do with the ufo

3626
02:07:44,149 --> 02:07:42,719
experience that they had i think that

3627
02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:44,159
kind of character assassination is

3628
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:45,760
something that we've often seen again

3629
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:47,119
it's fine to be skeptical but i think

3630
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:48,560
that when you're a professional debunker

3631
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:50,880
who utilizes those kinds of tactics to

3632
02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:52,560
play debate team

3633
02:07:56,950 --> 02:07:54,639
and construct a debate and an argument

3634
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:56,960
around things that are tangent to the

3635
02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:58,800
experience the person supposedly had we

3636
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:00,400
begin to see problems you pair that with

3637
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:03,360
an ideology where if 99 of these ufo

3638
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:04,960
sightings can be explained then why not

3639
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:07,440
100 and thereby we're just going to

3640
02:08:10,709 --> 02:08:08,880
presuppose that they're all bunk and

3641
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,719
we're going to no matter what conclusion

3642
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:12,639
we come to it's always going to be in

3643
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:15,840
favor of the idea that no ufos exist

3644
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:17,119
when you think about these things and

3645
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:18,880
then you look at the way that now in

3646
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:21,520
this era of fake news we can blame the

3647
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,599
ufo community essentially for this

3648
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,679
modern phenomenon you know it's it's

3649
02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:27,760
almost absurd well yeah but you can look

3650
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:29,440
back at fake news back

3651
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:32,320
into the 19th century when newspapers

3652
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:34,880
would publish stories to get circulation

3653
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:36,719
and maybe advertising although maybe the

3654
02:08:40,629 --> 02:08:39,280
1897 airships sometimes

3655
02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:40,639
you know that's a really interesting one

3656
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:42,320
because the i'm of the mind i am

3657
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:43,440
interested

3658
02:08:50,069 --> 02:08:47,440
the 1890s airship

3659
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:50,079
newspaper articles and items they've

3660
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,760
interested me there was a historian

3661
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:53,360
named timothy parrott who wrote a book

3662
02:08:56,229 --> 02:08:54,719
it's kind of hard to get a hold of and

3663
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:56,239
you might be able to find copies online

3664
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:58,560
the only way i obtained one

3665
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:59,920
was that i'd written an article where i

3666
02:09:03,750 --> 02:09:01,520
referenced this guy and mentioned i'd

3667
02:09:05,910 --> 02:09:03,760
like to get a copy of this book and he

3668
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:05,920
found my article and wrote to me and

3669
02:09:09,109 --> 02:09:07,440
said if you'd still like a copy i've got

3670
02:09:10,229 --> 02:09:09,119
a few and so i paypaled him the money

3671
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:10,239
immediately

3672
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:11,840
and got my copy and sat and read it in

3673
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:13,280
one sitting the night it arrived but

3674
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:15,840
it's uh a story all about

3675
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:20,400
uh the alleged 1897 airship mystery

3676
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:22,239
and uh with with specific interest in

3677
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:24,560
this inventor from sacramento who

3678
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:27,040
purportedly had been involved in the

3679
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:28,880
construction charles uh

3680
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:30,320
abbott smith i believe had been the name

3681
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:31,760
of the inventor

3682
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:35,119
this book tells more about his life this

3683
02:09:38,790 --> 02:09:37,040
you know parrot was a historian who was

3684
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:38,800
chronicling everything he could find

3685
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:41,040
about this charles smith character but

3686
02:09:44,229 --> 02:09:42,560
at the end of the book

3687
02:09:45,830 --> 02:09:44,239
there's some very interesting commentary

3688
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:45,840
about these airships now i do think that

3689
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:48,079
the majority at very least if not all of

3690
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:50,159
the 1890s articles probably were

3691
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:51,520
newspaper hoaxes and that there were

3692
02:09:53,990 --> 02:09:52,560
many of them

3693
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:54,000
that were you know being circulated

3694
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:55,360
different varieties of stories that

3695
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:56,800
appeared in different newspapers and

3696
02:09:59,830 --> 02:09:58,480
things you do have the occasional

3697
02:10:02,470 --> 02:09:59,840
one-off though where something weird

3698
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:02,480
turns up like there was a texas

3699
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based newspaper that carried a story

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about a rancher who goes out into his

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field at night and sees this craft and

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this bright light emanating from it and

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02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:10,800
there's a man walking away from it and

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the guy says who are you and he's

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wielding a gun and everything the

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rancher and the man says never mind my

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name right now call it smith i mean he

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he actually uses the exact same name of

3709
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the later alleged airship inventor and

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airships we're into

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hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

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you're listening to the paracast the

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we continue with micah hanks

3819
02:15:10,709 --> 02:15:08,880
and we're going back to the 1897

3820
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:10,719
mystery where you'd encounter these

3821
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:12,159
people

3822
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:13,920
with perfectly ordinary names and

3823
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:15,920
sometimes they'd say you know what

3824
02:15:21,109 --> 02:15:18,239
we're testing this aircraft and

3825
02:15:23,830 --> 02:15:21,119
eventually we will reveal to the world

3826
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:23,840
what it really is and what we can do

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02:15:26,470 --> 02:15:24,960
yeah i mean

3828
02:15:27,430 --> 02:15:26,480
to me i think we have to be really

3829
02:15:29,589 --> 02:15:27,440
careful

3830
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,599
uh in terms of taking

3831
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:31,679
you know at face value those newspaper

3832
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:33,360
reports because again on the heels of

3833
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:34,800
this discussion about fake news it would

3834
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:36,880
be a little irresponsible to be talking

3835
02:15:40,390 --> 02:15:38,480
about the way that fake news is a part

3836
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:40,400
of american culture going back

3837
02:15:43,990 --> 02:15:42,320
well into the last couple of centuries

3838
02:15:45,430 --> 02:15:44,000
and then say but i also believe these

3839
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:45,440
extremely

3840
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:47,280
outlandish stories about airships i mean

3841
02:15:51,750 --> 02:15:49,679
that's by no means what i'm saying when

3842
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,760
you talk about fake news first of all

3843
02:15:56,229 --> 02:15:53,840
the modern conception is

3844
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:56,239
that there were places sites

3845
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:57,920
forget about who runs them some say the

3846
02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,239
russians ran some they deliberately

3847
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:02,400
fabricate stories

3848
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:03,679
that

3849
02:16:08,390 --> 02:16:05,920
met expectations in terms of the

3850
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:08,400
political world in order to get traffic

3851
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:11,360
to get adsense dollars from google it

3852
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:13,440
was all about that that's what fake news

3853
02:16:17,350 --> 02:16:15,280
was which again of course would be

3854
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:17,360
similar to a newspaper

3855
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:20,800
in the 19th century fabricating stories

3856
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,960
in order to gain circulation to stand

3857
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:24,800
out from the pack look we got this story

3858
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:27,280
here but that's also what the national

3859
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:29,920
enquirer and the weekly world news

3860
02:16:35,030 --> 02:16:32,559
yeah absolutely and in likelihood the

3861
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:35,040
majority of the 1890s if not all again

3862
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:38,399
of the uh 1890s airship uh stories they

3863
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:40,639
were probably just that i have it very

3864
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:41,760
least though because in the name of

3865
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:43,359
being open-minded not so open-minded

3866
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:45,200
that my brain falls out of my head

3867
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:46,479
although i remove it at night and keep

3868
02:16:49,830 --> 02:16:48,240
it in a nice you know container by my

3869
02:16:52,389 --> 02:16:49,840
bed when i sleep just you know it's good

3870
02:16:53,589 --> 02:16:52,399
for you but but i maintain that uh you

3871
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:53,599
have to be open-minded enough to at

3872
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:55,679
least to entertain the idea

3873
02:16:58,469 --> 02:16:56,960
knowing that there were varieties of

3874
02:16:59,870 --> 02:16:58,479
crude airships that you know had

3875
02:17:02,950 --> 02:16:59,880
predated the

3876
02:17:04,629 --> 02:17:02,960
1896-1897 era and that some of them

3877
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:04,639
actually had gotten off the ground i

3878
02:17:07,509 --> 02:17:05,840
mean there's an article at my website if

3879
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:07,519
you go to micah hanks.com forward slash

3880
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:08,399
blog

3881
02:17:11,509 --> 02:17:10,160
where you can read all the articles that

3882
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:11,519
i've got up there and they cover a wide

3883
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:13,439
range of subjects not just ufos but one

3884
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:16,000
about the airships that i delve into

3885
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,160
actually names all of the different

3886
02:17:21,830 --> 02:17:20,479
california airship projects

3887
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:21,840
crude though they were some of which got

3888
02:17:24,270 --> 02:17:23,519
off the ground and absolutely predated

3889
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:24,280
the

3890
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:27,120
1896-1897 period where this airship wave

3891
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:29,280
was going on i also get it to charles

3892
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:30,639
abbott smith and i've talked a good bit

3893
02:17:34,629 --> 02:17:32,960
about whether or not there's a likely

3894
02:17:36,389 --> 02:17:34,639
case to be made that he indeed built an

3895
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:36,399
airship that somehow was kept all out of

3896
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:37,920
the history books unlike the others that

3897
02:17:42,309 --> 02:17:39,760
preceded it and you know you've got some

3898
02:17:44,230 --> 02:17:42,319
of these inventors like solomon andrews

3899
02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:44,240
who had even built airships i think as

3900
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:47,040
early as the 1860s uh one of his models

3901
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:49,920
was uh test flown in at the smithsonian

3902
02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:52,160
and was actually observed by president

3903
02:17:56,870 --> 02:17:53,920
lincoln andrews had hoped to try and use

3904
02:17:58,629 --> 02:17:56,880
this airship for purpose of trying to

3905
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:58,639
aid the union army at that point they

3906
02:18:02,230 --> 02:18:00,000
basically thought that it would be too

3907
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:02,240
costly to build these things and that

3908
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:03,519
with the tides of war turning it

3909
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:05,760
wouldn't necessarily aid the war effort

3910
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:07,679
but andrews later revisited that idea

3911
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:09,280
and wanted to try and get investors for

3912
02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:10,559
building an airship which would be the

3913
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:12,080
first had it gotten off the ground no

3914
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:13,519
pun intended these would have been the

3915
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:15,040
first airships that would have provided

3916
02:18:19,270 --> 02:18:16,800
commercial transportation via air

3917
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:19,280
between new york and philadelphia again

3918
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:21,200
that never ended up happening but

3919
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:23,760
andrews had tests flown a a simpler

3920
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:25,920
design and and effectively so for

3921
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:27,679
lincoln during the uh or toward the end

3922
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:29,679
of the civil war so i mean yeah

3923
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:31,840
many don't know about these

3924
02:18:35,750 --> 02:18:33,599
instances where there were actual valid

3925
02:18:37,270 --> 02:18:35,760
airships that had been built the

3926
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,280
question is could could something of the

3927
02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:39,120
magnitude that was reported

3928
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:40,240
in the sacramento bee and other

3929
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:42,800
newspapers there around 1896 and 1897 i

3930
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:44,639
mean could something that large have

3931
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:47,359
successfully flown and yet managed to be

3932
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:49,519
kept off of the history books now i'll

3933
02:18:51,990 --> 02:18:50,639
say this gene there's one of the reasons

3934
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,000
why we might see things like that

3935
02:18:56,309 --> 02:18:54,479
showing up ufo reports that is in

3936
02:18:57,910 --> 02:18:56,319
newspapers that does not have to do with

3937
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:57,920
you know adsense in the modern era and

3938
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:59,920
you know increasing circulation as it

3939
02:19:02,629 --> 02:19:01,679
did back decades ago

3940
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:02,639
that would have been after the end of

3941
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:04,719
the second world war the purpose of

3942
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,639
trying to utilize propaganda to

3943
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:08,160
misinform our enemy and as joseph

3944
02:19:12,870 --> 02:19:10,000
farrell and others have asserted

3945
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,880
new york times reports of a ufo hovering

3946
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:14,639
over the river thames with an iron cross

3947
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,639
on it what does that obviously seem to

3948
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:18,319
entail well that the germans had built

3949
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:19,760
flying saucers why would the new york

3950
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:22,319
times then report on something like this

3951
02:19:24,950 --> 02:19:23,359
after

3952
02:19:26,230 --> 02:19:24,960
the 1947

3953
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:26,240
observation by kenneth arnold and

3954
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:28,719
several other subsequent observations in

3955
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:30,319
likelihood it was probably something

3956
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,599
that was intentionally put in that

3957
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:33,120
newspaper with hope that the russians

3958
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:34,719
would see that and interpret it as being

3959
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:36,559
great the americans have gotten some

3960
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:38,160
great new technology

3961
02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:40,080
probably acquired from the germans and

3962
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:41,679
they were using probably the flying

3963
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:43,840
saucer craze some intelligence agency

3964
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:46,639
presumably to their benefit so as to try

3965
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:48,800
and misinform the enemy about the kind

3966
02:19:52,230 --> 02:19:50,399
of weaponry and technology we had at our

3967
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:52,240
disposal that's joseph farrell's idea

3968
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:53,600
which to me

3969
02:19:57,110 --> 02:19:55,280
that's a really plausible scenario and

3970
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:57,120
again why there may be a fake news story

3971
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:58,399
that would have appeared in a venerable

3972
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:00,560
news source like the new york times

3973
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:03,040
well that certainly is open for many

3974
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:04,000
many

3975
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:07,120
fascinating possibilities definitely

3976
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,960
that might have happened but of course

3977
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:11,120
there are theories that some of the

3978
02:20:15,510 --> 02:20:13,520
early ufo episodes were

3979
02:20:17,590 --> 02:20:15,520
government fake apps we have for example

3980
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:17,600
james carrion with that book he came out

3981
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:20,000
with some time ago called the rosetta

3982
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:21,359
deception about

3983
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:22,399
the

3984
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:24,080
ghost rockets

3985
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:25,920
but he was going to add that to roswell

3986
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:27,920
too but he's kind of been out of touch

3987
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:29,600
since then so i have no idea what he

3988
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:30,720
plans

3989
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:32,000
that was interesting by the way because

3990
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:33,280
i remember when you guys had him on the

3991
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:35,280
pericast uh gene had mentioned when he

3992
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:36,960
began talking about the ghost rockets as

3993
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:38,960
being essentially a psyop i own the

3994
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:40,880
rosetta deception i read it and i i

3995
02:20:44,550 --> 02:20:42,399
think that the information in the book

3996
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:44,560
is actually quite good i think that you

3997
02:20:47,990 --> 02:20:46,640
know he refers to uncle joe

3998
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:48,000
joseph stalin throughout the book and

3999
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:49,680
you know i think frankly as a matter of

4000
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:51,439
editorial opinion would have been better

4001
02:20:54,550 --> 02:20:53,200
just to call him stalin but that's a

4002
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:54,560
minor critique

4003
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:56,399
but i remember chris o'brien mentioning

4004
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:57,680
he says i'm surprised some of this may

4005
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:59,120
have slipped by micah hanks well let me

4006
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,880
just say for the record especially if

4007
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:02,560
james carrion is listening and perhaps

4008
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:04,080
after this maybe he'll get back in touch

4009
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:06,080
i finally agree with his argument in the

4010
02:21:10,150 --> 02:21:08,319
book and in my book although where i'm

4011
02:21:11,910 --> 02:21:10,160
talking about the ghost rockets i begin

4012
02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:11,920
with the scandinavian case and i do look

4013
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:14,560
at those as a matter of history by no

4014
02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:15,920
means make the case that there's any

4015
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:17,840
kind of an alien technology behind these

4016
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:19,359
nor that there is necessarily a

4017
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:21,600
continuum between those reports and the

4018
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:23,120
later technologies that i outlined

4019
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,479
throughout the decades that would follow

4020
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:26,560
which were again covered in the book

4021
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:28,640
because they were similar enough to

4022
02:21:32,230 --> 02:21:31,200
projectile or jet technologies which

4023
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:32,240
would have been of some sort of

4024
02:21:35,910 --> 02:21:33,760
experimental design

4025
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:35,920
what's more interesting than the 1946

4026
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:38,720
scandinavian cases in in truth are the

4027
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:40,640
numerous cases that would follow in the

4028
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:42,479
decades thereafter and the ongoing

4029
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:44,399
reports which really got me interested

4030
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:45,760
in writing a book about that to begin

4031
02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:47,680
with the aviation safety reporting

4032
02:21:51,110 --> 02:21:48,720
system

4033
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:51,120
which is a database maintained by nasa

4034
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:54,399
it's hard to find good ufo cases in that

4035
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:56,319
database and i mean i've spent a couple

4036
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:58,000
of years combing it but i've found some

4037
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:58,880
really

4038
02:22:01,190 --> 02:22:00,399
weird ones among the few that i have

4039
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:01,200
found

4040
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:03,040
one of which of course involved this

4041
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,600
bizarre rectangular dark colored object

4042
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:07,280
that suddenly just passes very quickly

4043
02:22:10,150 --> 02:22:08,640
under an aircraft

4044
02:22:11,670 --> 02:22:10,160
and for several minutes thereafter it

4045
02:22:14,309 --> 02:22:11,680
experienced all kinds of different uh

4046
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:14,319
electronic disturbance onboard the the

4047
02:22:17,349 --> 02:22:16,160
plane it was a passenger plane they

4048
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:17,359
couldn't identify this thing they said

4049
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,240
whatever it was was big flat rectangular

4050
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:22,560
dark and moving extremely fast and it

4051
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:24,080
was able to duck under their aircraft

4052
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:25,680
and avoid a collision but they

4053
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:26,800
experienced all this electronic

4054
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:28,240
disturbance on board the craft in the

4055
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:31,520
cockpit for 20-25 minutes thereafter

4056
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:32,800
when you find something like that in the

4057
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:34,399
aviation safety reporting system

4058
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:37,200
database reported by professional pilots

4059
02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:39,280
uh who report anonymously so as to avoid

4060
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:40,720
things like litigation and concerns

4061
02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:41,760
about that

4062
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:43,200
i mean i find those to be very

4063
02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:44,640
interesting reports the problem is it

4064
02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:46,479
makes them by virtue of of their

4065
02:22:50,550 --> 02:22:48,479
anonymity it makes them more difficult

4066
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:50,560
to follow up on as ufo investigators and

4067
02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:52,479
they're again they're relegated to that

4068
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:55,280
wasteland of the anecdotal ufo evidence

4069
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:56,800
that we have where they're these

4070
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:59,040
remarkable stories that do seem to

4071
02:23:02,790 --> 02:23:01,200
describe extremely advanced aviation

4072
02:23:04,870 --> 02:23:02,800
technologies in our midst and yet which

4073
02:23:05,590 --> 02:23:04,880
we seem have to have no accountability

4074
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:05,600
for

4075
02:23:10,870 --> 02:23:08,080
or or idea about their origin apart from

4076
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:10,880
the speculation

4077
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:13,600
so many possibilities but where do we

4078
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:15,840
center on something

4079
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:18,080
that ufo researchers can look for

4080
02:23:22,710 --> 02:23:19,920
because right now there's so little ufo

4081
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:22,720
research even being done

4082
02:23:25,830 --> 02:23:24,560
this is an issue i've been uh actually

4083
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:25,840
talking about with my friend robbie

4084
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,439
graham he's putting together this

4085
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anthology that i'm contributing to

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which is about sort of reframing the

4087
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debate on ufos

4088
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and uh

4089
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i i see that uh

4090
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one of the things i wanted to talk about

4091
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in that in that essay that i contributed

4092
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for robbie

4093
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dealt with

4094
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my favorite book on ufos which i know

4095
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i've brought up in the past with you uh

4096
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gene and it's called the ufo handbook

4097
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,399
it was written by alan hendry who was

4098
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he was a pro ufo investigator but a

4099
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skeptical one but nonetheless a pro ufo

4100
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investigator who even philip j class

4101
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referred to the book as one of the most

4102
02:24:02,150 --> 02:24:00,720
important books ever written on ufos so

4103
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when you've got a skeptic like class

4104
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who's talking about the importance of a

4105
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book written by a ufo proponent i mean

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that in itself is is you know no small

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feat

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is therefore that damning with faint

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praise that we even accept the book

4110
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because class would recommend it that

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seems just

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like such an oddball thing to happen

4113
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we've got a lot more to happen

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with one more segment with our friend

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4214
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so indeed one more segment with micah

4215
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:00,479
hanks fascinating journey to the

4216
02:29:05,670 --> 02:29:03,439
frontiers of ufo research so all these

4217
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:05,680
side issues such as mystery satellites

4218
02:29:10,870 --> 02:29:09,200
and moonlits in the 1897 airships

4219
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finding a way

4220
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to actually get some research to be done

4221
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because i hate to think here

4222
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as i get older

4223
02:29:20,309 --> 02:29:18,720
that i'm going to leave wherever i'm

4224
02:29:22,710 --> 02:29:20,319
going to leave i'm going to go to

4225
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:22,720
wherever i go to and some people will

4226
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suggest where i'm going

4227
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:25,840
whatever it is

4228
02:29:28,710 --> 02:29:27,439
i hate to think that after all these

4229
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:28,720
years we

4230
02:29:33,750 --> 02:29:30,960
learn absolutely nothing and it just

4231
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:33,760
keeps seeming that's the way it is

4232
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:35,359
right i mean i have that same concern

4233
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:37,520
gene but hey guess what here it is the

4234
02:29:40,870 --> 02:29:39,760
final segment and there is hope and uh

4235
02:29:41,990 --> 02:29:40,880
you know i'll refer to something that

4236
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:42,000
one of the uh folks there at

4237
02:29:46,389 --> 02:29:44,080
forums.theparacast.com

4238
02:29:47,349 --> 02:29:46,399
had posted they wanted to know could

4239
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:47,359
something like the black knight

4240
02:29:51,190 --> 02:29:49,359
satellite be monitored or captured in

4241
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:51,200
any way by an effort by the u.s

4242
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:53,040
government well i think the problem is

4243
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:55,040
that in likelihood in my opinion the

4244
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,840
majority of seemingly exotic aircraft

4245
02:30:01,190 --> 02:29:59,520
that are buzzing around out there i

4246
02:30:03,750 --> 02:30:01,200
certainly think there are some and i in

4247
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:03,760
my opinion the best evidence in modern

4248
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:05,200
times for these

4249
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:06,960
are these large uh triangular shaped

4250
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:08,960
aircraft i mean i've spoken with

4251
02:30:13,990 --> 02:30:11,040
more individuals than i can count former

4252
02:30:16,150 --> 02:30:14,000
u.s air force servicemen housewives you

4253
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:16,160
know geologists physicists astronomers

4254
02:30:18,630 --> 02:30:17,520
i've spoken with a lot of people over

4255
02:30:20,710 --> 02:30:18,640
the years who have said that they've

4256
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:20,720
seen these things average joe's making a

4257
02:30:24,710 --> 02:30:22,960
midnight run to the local donut store i

4258
02:30:26,469 --> 02:30:24,720
mean i kid you not and i've reported on

4259
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:26,479
a lot of these on my podcast the

4260
02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:27,760
graylien report and i've written about

4261
02:30:32,070 --> 02:30:29,920
them a lot over the years one of my

4262
02:30:35,110 --> 02:30:32,080
favorite cases of course occurred in i

4263
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:35,120
believe january of 2001 up there in uh i

4264
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:37,600
think it was southern ohio a number of

4265
02:30:40,710 --> 02:30:39,280
different police departments and

4266
02:30:42,790 --> 02:30:40,720
officers from different

4267
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:42,800
municipalities and different police

4268
02:30:47,830 --> 02:30:45,760
departments observed this aircraft this

4269
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:47,840
very large triangular aircraft as it's

4270
02:30:52,070 --> 02:30:50,880
passing over uh this region now i'm

4271
02:30:54,469 --> 02:30:52,080
sorry i think it's at ohio i'm at

4272
02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:54,479
illinois so anyway the story you can you

4273
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:56,080
can look this up online but there have

4274
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:57,840
been a lot of different interpretations

4275
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:59,040
of what was seen and one that was

4276
02:31:01,910 --> 02:31:00,560
offered by skeptic brian dunning had

4277
02:31:03,510 --> 02:31:01,920
been that this was just one of the

4278
02:31:05,429 --> 02:31:03,520
american airship companies blimps and

4279
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:05,439
they were giving a vip tour but the

4280
02:31:09,030 --> 02:31:07,359
thing is is that how could several

4281
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:09,040
different law enforcement officers one

4282
02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:10,240
of whom actually managed to take a

4283
02:31:13,990 --> 02:31:11,600
really bad photograph of the thing with

4284
02:31:17,030 --> 02:31:14,000
a polaroid camera they all described it

4285
02:31:18,950 --> 02:31:17,040
as being triangular in shape slow moving

4286
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:18,960
unlike any aircraft they had ever seen

4287
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:21,200
almost completely silent not only do we

4288
02:31:23,990 --> 02:31:22,479
have the question of why would all of

4289
02:31:25,750 --> 02:31:24,000
the police officers have completely

4290
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:25,760
mistaken the shape of the aircraft yeah

4291
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:27,120
it was dark outside but i mean they

4292
02:31:29,910 --> 02:31:28,080
nonetheless said that they could

4293
02:31:31,670 --> 02:31:29,920
distinctly see due to the lighting on

4294
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:31,680
the aircraft itself and also

4295
02:31:35,510 --> 02:31:33,520
lighting from ground-based sources that

4296
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:35,520
this aircraft whatever this thing was

4297
02:31:39,510 --> 02:31:37,760
was triangular shaped you know dunning

4298
02:31:41,510 --> 02:31:39,520
respect his opinion for trying to come

4299
02:31:43,750 --> 02:31:41,520
to a conclusion about this sure but but

4300
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:43,760
he doesn't give us an any kind of reason

4301
02:31:48,550 --> 02:31:46,240
why a vip tour would have been given at

4302
02:31:50,790 --> 02:31:48,560
3 a.m nor does is there any information

4303
02:31:52,950 --> 02:31:50,800
provided in terms of records of flights

4304
02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:52,960
by that airship company in that area at

4305
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:54,560
that time that would conclusively prove

4306
02:31:57,190 --> 02:31:55,600
that that's what it was i mean in other

4307
02:32:00,070 --> 02:31:57,200
words the skeptical determination was

4308
02:32:01,830 --> 02:32:00,080
equally speculative and frankly in some

4309
02:32:03,910 --> 02:32:01,840
ways i find it just as credulous as the

4310
02:32:06,790 --> 02:32:03,920
notion that this was some crazy aircraft

4311
02:32:08,870 --> 02:32:06,800
from zeta 2 reticuli so i think there's

4312
02:32:10,309 --> 02:32:08,880
something and i have seen photos i've

4313
02:32:11,910 --> 02:32:10,319
spoken with people over the years

4314
02:32:13,030 --> 02:32:11,920
dunning and others have argued of course

4315
02:32:14,790 --> 02:32:13,040
that well but you know these things

4316
02:32:16,710 --> 02:32:14,800
being triangular in shape

4317
02:32:18,469 --> 02:32:16,720
no two descriptions of the aircraft seem

4318
02:32:20,630 --> 02:32:18,479
to match but there are a lot of

4319
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:20,640
consistencies that do remain largely

4320
02:32:24,630 --> 02:32:22,640
that it's a large triangle slow moving

4321
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:24,640
dark colored sometimes a reddish light

4322
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:27,040
in the center on on the underside the

4323
02:32:28,710 --> 02:32:28,000
base

4324
02:32:30,630 --> 02:32:28,720
so

4325
02:32:32,550 --> 02:32:30,640
i do think that there are aircraft that

4326
02:32:33,670 --> 02:32:32,560
exist i don't know whose they are in

4327
02:32:35,349 --> 02:32:33,680
likelihood they're probably some sort of

4328
02:32:37,910 --> 02:32:35,359
a stealth technology perhaps a stealth

4329
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:37,920
blimp how do we study these things can

4330
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:39,280
we rely on the government to do that

4331
02:32:42,630 --> 02:32:41,120
well if they are government aircraft

4332
02:32:43,630 --> 02:32:42,640
probably not coming back to the question

4333
02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:43,640
from

4334
02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:45,600
forums.theperacast.com so

4335
02:32:49,590 --> 02:32:47,760
what we do have however are civilian

4336
02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:49,600
flight tracking technologies like flight

4337
02:32:53,190 --> 02:32:51,280
radar and others you know you can

4338
02:32:54,870 --> 02:32:53,200
download that app on your iphone we're

4339
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:54,880
getting to a point more and more where

4340
02:32:59,190 --> 02:32:57,280
tracking capabilities can be easily

4341
02:33:01,110 --> 02:32:59,200
managed from your home computer from

4342
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:01,120
your smartphone when you're standing out

4343
02:33:04,630 --> 02:33:02,479
there in the yard looking at the stars

4344
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:04,640
at night and i think that we're seeing

4345
02:33:09,030 --> 02:33:07,439
right now and ever increasingly so gene

4346
02:33:11,590 --> 02:33:09,040
technologies that are freely available

4347
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:11,600
or easily accessible to the civilian

4348
02:33:15,110 --> 02:33:13,600
public which i think are going to help

4349
02:33:17,429 --> 02:33:15,120
people if they are conscientious in

4350
02:33:19,110 --> 02:33:17,439
their efforts in doing so really rain in

4351
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:19,120
on the varieties of technology that may

4352
02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:20,800
be flying around in our sky and our

4353
02:33:25,750 --> 02:33:23,920
ability to observe those and think and

4354
02:33:28,150 --> 02:33:25,760
observe them critically it's going to i

4355
02:33:30,230 --> 02:33:28,160
think improve over time but it takes a

4356
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:30,240
conscientious effort in order to do so

4357
02:33:33,670 --> 02:33:31,520
we can't just go out there and say dang

4358
02:33:35,030 --> 02:33:33,680
there's another ufo i people need to

4359
02:33:36,870 --> 02:33:35,040
educate themselves about what they're

4360
02:33:39,030 --> 02:33:36,880
seeing and the technologies that can

4361
02:33:41,190 --> 02:33:39,040
improve their ability to observe those

4362
02:33:42,950 --> 02:33:41,200
kind of things so we're seeing a trend

4363
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:42,960
going in that direction so i would say

4364
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:44,160
it's hopeful and yeah maybe in the

4365
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:45,840
coming years with flight radar tracking

4366
02:33:48,790 --> 02:33:47,200
technologies and things like this you

4367
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:48,800
know improve night vision technologies

4368
02:33:52,630 --> 02:33:50,960
and things but we will hopefully begin

4369
02:33:54,230 --> 02:33:52,640
to learn some more about these but again

4370
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:54,240
what we have been studying for a long

4371
02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:56,399
time it may not at the end turn out to

4372
02:33:59,990 --> 02:33:58,160
be what we have long thought it was what

4373
02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:00,000
kehoe may have thought it was i hear

4374
02:34:04,870 --> 02:34:02,560
what you're saying i hope i'll try to

4375
02:34:07,429 --> 02:34:04,880
remain optimistic on the other hand

4376
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:07,439
maybe the forces behind the ufos don't

4377
02:34:11,670 --> 02:34:09,200
want us to solve it

4378
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:11,680
yeah that's always a possibility too

4379
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:13,840
you know i mean i'm not one that tends

4380
02:34:17,750 --> 02:34:15,520
to gravitate gene toward the dark

4381
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:17,760
nefarious conspiracy i think listeners

4382
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:18,800
of this show who've heard me and who

4383
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:20,720
have endured my many appearances on this

4384
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:22,640
show with you pick that up for me but

4385
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:23,840
part of the reason why is because i am

4386
02:34:26,389 --> 02:34:25,359
hopeful that maybe there will be a

4387
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:26,399
certain

4388
02:34:30,389 --> 02:34:28,960
resolution that is brought to the study

4389
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:30,399
in the years to come

4390
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:32,240
that is barring of course that whoever

4391
02:34:35,349 --> 02:34:34,240
or whatever is behind the technology

4392
02:34:36,469 --> 02:34:35,359
isn't in this

4393
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:36,479
to remain

4394
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:38,080
kept away and hidden

4395
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:40,640
well i don't know i think part of what

4396
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:43,600
it is is that ufos may be an educational

4397
02:34:46,710 --> 02:34:44,640
process

4398
02:34:48,309 --> 02:34:46,720
and that's why it never gets solved

4399
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:48,319
that's that's similar to what jean vale

4400
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:49,760
has said you know whether or not there

4401
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:52,640
is a control mechanism or or something

4402
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:53,840
that is

4403
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:55,840
re-engineering and reordering the way

4404
02:34:59,910 --> 02:34:57,840
that we perceive reality you know that's

4405
02:35:02,710 --> 02:34:59,920
a pretty far out there idea but i mean

4406
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:02,720
what if in certain circumstances

4407
02:35:05,510 --> 02:35:04,399
certain things that we are capable of

4408
02:35:07,349 --> 02:35:05,520
perceiving

4409
02:35:09,429 --> 02:35:07,359
we nonetheless are incapable of

4410
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:09,439
perceiving correctly that makes sense

4411
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:11,120
and so the mind presented with something

4412
02:35:15,910 --> 02:35:12,960
that is so far out there and so

4413
02:35:17,990 --> 02:35:15,920
mind-numbing and so all-inspiring we can

4414
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:18,000
see it but the but the mind interprets

4415
02:35:21,030 --> 02:35:20,080
phenomena in very strange ways we

4416
02:35:22,389 --> 02:35:21,040
already know this through our

4417
02:35:24,230 --> 02:35:22,399
psychological studies over the last

4418
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,240
several decades what if i mean could

4419
02:35:28,630 --> 02:35:26,560
there be any phenomena known to exist

4420
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:28,640
that were so strange that as a person is

4421
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:30,960
perceiving it our mind attempts to

4422
02:35:34,790 --> 02:35:33,359
reorder it into some sort of a component

4423
02:35:35,990 --> 02:35:34,800
that can fit into the reality that we

4424
02:35:37,510 --> 02:35:36,000
know and we understand those things

4425
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:37,520
we're comfortable with that is an

4426
02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:39,040
argument some have raised about ufos

4427
02:35:42,309 --> 02:35:40,640
over the years it could be that part of

4428
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:42,319
the misperception of the phenomena if

4429
02:35:46,950 --> 02:35:44,560
indeed one exists is that it is so

4430
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:46,960
strange and so far beyond human

4431
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:49,680
conception that our mind struggles to

4432
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:51,439
reckon with it and our perception of the

4433
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:54,479
phenomena is that is our mind again kind

4434
02:35:59,110 --> 02:35:57,280
of trying to reorganize data which is

4435
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:59,120
far beyond what the mind is uh the human

4436
02:36:02,950 --> 02:36:01,040
mind at least is designed to be able to

4437
02:36:05,030 --> 02:36:02,960
comprehend vale and others have made

4438
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:05,040
that argument i mean who knows maybe

4439
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:06,880
that is in some of those far out cases

4440
02:36:10,070 --> 02:36:08,960
the stranger ufo cases maybe there is an

4441
02:36:11,910 --> 02:36:10,080
element to it

4442
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:11,920
that is the human mind itself struggling

4443
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:13,680
to try and comprehend something it

4444
02:36:20,150 --> 02:36:17,120
wasn't designed to be able to relate to

4445
02:36:23,110 --> 02:36:20,160
well there you go there you go

4446
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:23,120
any case this is something that we will

4447
02:36:27,190 --> 02:36:25,439
continue to go on with and hopefully if

4448
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:27,200
it doesn't happen during my lifetime or

4449
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:29,200
chris's lifetime

4450
02:36:33,349 --> 02:36:31,120
it will happen with

4451
02:36:34,710 --> 02:36:33,359
micah's lifetime because he's much much

4452
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:34,720
younger

4453
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:37,600
he's a young whippersnapper

4454
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:39,280
well i'm older than i look and i

4455
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:41,040
certainly feel older than i am we'll

4456
02:36:44,150 --> 02:36:42,720
leave it at that and i hope that within

4457
02:36:45,510 --> 02:36:44,160
my lifetime i get to actually talk to

4458
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:45,520
chris o'brien again because you know

4459
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:46,720
i've missed him the last few times i've

4460
02:36:49,910 --> 02:36:48,399
been on the show so uh here's sending

4461
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:49,920
some good vibes to chris and everything

4462
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:51,680
and i know he had some health issues

4463
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:53,520
before so i'm sure he's on the mend and

4464
02:36:56,070 --> 02:36:54,720
look forward to talking with him next

4465
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:56,080
time

4466
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:58,399
indeed indeed

4467
02:37:01,510 --> 02:36:59,680
please tell us

4468
02:37:02,790 --> 02:37:01,520
micah hanks where we can find more of

4469
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:02,800
the stuff

4470
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:05,280
that you do of course yes of course the

4471
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:07,359
podcasts are at greatly unreported

4472
02:37:14,630 --> 02:37:12,870
uh for those who are interested in uh

4473
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:14,640
hearing some of my opinions on current

4474
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:16,560
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4475
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,040
word politics you can go to middle

4476
02:37:23,990 --> 02:37:21,120
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4477
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:24,000
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4478
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:25,920
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4479
02:37:29,110 --> 02:37:28,160
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4480
02:37:31,270 --> 02:37:29,120
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4481
02:37:32,710 --> 02:37:31,280
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4482
02:37:34,830 --> 02:37:32,720
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4483
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:34,840
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4484
02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:36,479
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4485
02:37:39,510 --> 02:37:38,080
reach me gene and of course

4486
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:39,520
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4487
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:40,560
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4488
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:42,399
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4489
02:37:46,550 --> 02:37:44,399
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4490
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4492
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:50,319
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4493
02:37:54,870 --> 02:37:52,240
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4494
02:37:56,309 --> 02:37:54,880
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4495
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4500
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4507
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4508
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4509
02:38:29,030 --> 02:38:26,960
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4510
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:29,040
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4511
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4519
02:39:09,830 --> 02:38:53,200
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4520
02:39:12,790 --> 02:39:09,840
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4521
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